Damus
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John Carvalho
@bitcoinerrorlog
The Lightning Network does not scale.

This is why everyone is building fake centralized hybrid Lightning bullshit and using custodial apps.

There are many reasons for this, here are some.

Liquidity - Each channel requires funding, twice. That capital is frozen until you splice, rebalance, or close. As adoption grows, the liquidity requirement grows quadratically. As on-chain fees grow, cost of using LN goes up while security assurances go down.

Complexity - Complexity breeds centralization. most users do not tolerate the base LN experience. Most devs do not tolerate depending on complex buggy self-custodial implementations. You've practically got to be an entire Lightning stack business to reliably provide a self-custodial product. Costs rise, leading to severe centralization at scale.

Routing - Portrayed as the coolest part of LN, but truly the worst aspect due to liquidity requirements, uncertainty, complexity. Results in hubs, then centralization at scale.

Breaking changes - Constant new complexity requires node runners to always run new, potentially insecure software. New channel types, new payment protocols, all destroy interoperability.

Obscure Hacks Required - If you want to provide a LN wallet or app you need to learn all the weird solutions, like LNURL, misc patches & tools, that people hacked in because LN protocol devs and LN implementation companies rarely care about the user space (probably because it is hopeless). We get weird derivative things hacked into others, like subscriptions into one specific payment protocol, but not into others; or, weird email format nicknames that arent actually emails, and are all implemented in trusted ways. This results in LN businesses and LN devs requiring arcane understanding, and endless patience, in the LN world.

Regulatory trap - Running a LSP business safely requires experienced lawyers for a constantly changing compliance landscape. New hybrid LN services like Spark, Liquid swaps, and taproot-asset edge nodes, will draw regulatory scrutiny the moment something goes wrong, or becomes too large.

Lightning is still cool and useful, but it doesn't actually fix Bitcoin payments at scale, so much as kinda-sorta provide efficiencies as long as you don't actually scale too much...

TLDR?

The concept of a high-frequency bitcoin channel is sound, and proven now.

The concept of a bitcoin-based routing network as an efficiency has not been proven, and, arguably, has failed.
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DagzTagz · 37w
I brought all of these things up publicly in 2019. Lawyers in suits bullied me into a censorship hole. The same lawyers in suits who do not want you or me or anyone self-custodying. When I tried to explain why the direction we were currently moving would inevitably fail (due to technological const...
ManyKeys · 37w
While there are real challenges, the fact remains that Lightning already achieves much of what it set out to do: fast, cheap, and (crucially) non-custodial payments at scale. Massive scaling headroom, new tools such as channel factories and liquidity marketplaces are reducing capital lock-up and s...
mrclownworld · 37w
This is comparing LN to some perfect ideal, rather than Visa or Swift. Even just in its current implementation, it is orders of magnitude better than those. And the fact that anyone *can* bank themselves interoperably with it without 3rd party approval is already a mind-blowing fact
DrDaniel ⚡️ BIP110 · 37w
What do you think of liquid?
Arándano · 37w
nostr:nprofile1qqszrqlfgavys8g0zf8mmy79dn92ghn723wwawx49py0nqjn7jtmjagpz4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezummcw3ezuer9wchszyrhwden5te0dehhxarj9ekk7mf0qy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9uynmh4h and his coinpool approach
ManyKeys · 37w
Ironically, nostr:nprofile1qqsgeksa4tajm7x673gq2v7t56dkgkh6pjhhzdhrgxlpke4za8jmmkqpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgqgjwaehxw309ac82unsd3jhqct89ejhxqgkwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxummnw3ezucnpdejqetk0p4 uses #walletofsatoshi for nostr account 😂
Six and Sons · 37w
All of the cool kids are building out ARK.
YORDL · 37w
Well summarized