Damus
EG profile picture
EG
@EG
These days there are some great self-custodial Bitcoin Lightning wallets to choose from. Some even integrate an LSP so you don't have to manage your own channel liquidity.

Here is a simplified overview of the major players and how their fee arrangements differ.



As Bitcoin on-chain fees rise, you should have a basic understanding of where LSP costs are incurred so you can plan accordingly.

For example, funding your wallet will allow you to send, but if you are receiving lightning payments you will require inbound liquidity.

If you want to receive a payment on a new wallet, an on-chain transaction may be required on behalf of the user by the LSP in order to provide the necessary capacity.

In high Bitcoin fee environments this can sometimes result in unforeseen transaction fees. Be aware.

The devs are working hard and shipping improvements and new features all the time.

As these products develop I'll attempt to publish any relevant updates.

⚡️
5057❤️63🤙66💜6❤️42👍2
Dikaios1517 · 132w
This is incredibly helpful! Thank you!
Atif · 132w
Thank you for the info 🙌
₿on · 132w
Onchain fees are affecting the usefulness of these wallets right now. Telling a new user they have to pay 40k sats/$15 just to have the privilege to spend on lightning is terrible UX. I currently use or have previously used all the wallets above and I am hoping they can continue to innovate to impr...
catcher · 132w
Do you have the same but for the apps that allow you to connect to your own nodes? I know only Zeus so far:)
optout · 132w
Very helpful recommendation and fee-comparison! Another dimension worth considering is LNURL support. For people who were using WoS because of Zaps, this is an important question when looking for an alternative.
benthecarman · 132w
For ingoujd liquidity allowance, mutiny gives 100k sats
Secretary Janet Yellen · 132w
I would add Blixt that supports lightning addresses for #Nostr zaps. nostr:nevent1qqsvdntsyy9nscsv5dyztg4kdmksgr7rld3ft36edy53lpred792w0gpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzvupzqadlydf3460e333fjkaqwxg7fz82636ew5m36c7hml2xhhsml2y4qvzqqqqqqytsk9jn
Korhag · 132w
“ For example, funding your wallet will allow you to send, but if you are receiving lightning payments you will require inbound liquidity.” This is something never clicked with me. Yesterday I decided to make the leap of faith and go for the Mutiny thinking to myself when I’m actually using it...
Cyber Seagull · 132w
Lightning is retarded.
nobody · 132w
Amen
ƝαŢꀌαɳ_Ðгαƙ૩ · 132w
Thx for that graphic 🙏👌! Breez Channel closing/swap out is really that expensive 👀🤯? 0,5% fee + Mining Fee and ❗50k Sats minimum❗ ???
calle 💯 · 132w
I believe Zeus uses LDK, not LND.
OceanSlim · 132w
Missing Green wallet. CLN implementation
fmar · 132w
I read somewhere that new phoenix version is not Eclair anymore but their new impl that started in ios and now also on android.
Erik · 132w
🙏 value
IDC designs · 132w
What do you think of Muun?
DarthCoin ₿⚡️ · 132w
You missed Blixt and Electrum. Blixt is a powerful LND node. https://i.postimg.cc/260zFbq0/wallets_security_chart.jpg
PirataCuervo · 132w
All of these wallets are cool, healthy competition...not toxic drama is what is needed
DarthCoin ₿⚡️ · 132w
Here is also a very goo AMA with 3 LSPs very interesting answers https://stacker.news/items/282711