Neat for normies. Don’t like that it’s closed source and only works with Safari, those two things are deal breakers for me. I run everything through IVPN.

It fights with mullvad unfortunately

You mean like a damus clone? Maybe Apple wants that sweet sweet 30% cut from their apps (impossible to grab via decentralized ⚡️ service)

Because it’s on millions of devices and active for everyone who pays for iCloud, your anonymity set is extremely large. Also, my mother now has a vpn without knowing what it is or why it’s good. But it just works.

What?

Apple or apple users?

It’s a glorified privoxy

All good 🤷

There’s a known issue where it leaks data when paired with some vpns - better than nothing for most though

They will still sell our private data to advertisers.

Expensive

If icloud knows who you are by your IP, and you can't use a VPN, then you leak your identity against your public key. At that point apple has an assymetric information set that every government would want to link a pubkey against an apple ID. Is this supposed to be a good thing?

is it open source?

Forgot about it until now. I tried it very early on. Seemed to cause lots of routing problems.

Part of their Cloud offering, I could see it happening.

I trust apple like a big brother. As much as I trust that Google don't be evil.

Nope. #[0]

Hard to know.

I think it is better not use.

Less cool than when Winston Privacy tried the same thing (https://shop.winstonprivacy.com/) with its “Pi-hole PLUS decentralized VPN”. RIP. Would love to see Umbrel try something similar.

Since it’s not open source, can we trust it? Assume you could test in/out, but question the reliability.

Does #[1] seriously not know this is #zapathon time?

Apple x Nostr would destroy Twitter. How many old people you know just use apple just because they dont understand technology? It would be like going from dial up to broadband when it comes to adoption of nostr.

Been using it since implementation. Seems to work?

By an order of magnitude the best VPN in existence, most importantly because your cohort is normies. And I absolutely despise Cloudflare and think they’re evil.

The whole video is worth a watch. But jump to around 24:30 for details on how it works. https://developer.apple.com/wwdc21/10085

My thoughts on it: It’s not private

I don't trust Apple with privacy. So anything they label private automatically gets taken with a grain of salt

What’s not to like?

Evidently this only works for safari, not all internet connections

anyone know if this affects web sockets or performance thereof?

As is, it's pretty cool. But I wish it was system wide, not just in Safari. Also shouldn't be region-restricted. And if it was an open standard and more providers were doing this that would be ideal.

Is there such a thing as Apple and private? I don't know about that, but from a principal view it seems questionable.

Pretty good, it’s a free vpn that (in my testing) does pretty good for masking my location from the start (most people don’t turn on their VPN until before they use it, Apple’s is always on)

Even Apple Mail doesn't work when it's on.