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LIQUID TRANSACTION FEES ARE PAID TO BLOCKSTREAM NOT FEDERATION MEMBERS.

SEEMS LIKE A BROKEN INCENTIVE BUT FEW TALK ABOUT IT?
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jb55 · 126w
TIL
Zaikaboy · 126w
I CAN'T SEE HOW A SIDECHAIN, WITH A ONE MINUTE BLOCK, WILL SOLVE THE FEE ISSUE. SURELY, IF IT WAS ADOPTED, THE SAME ISSUES WOULD ARRIVE?
MAV21 · 126w
Need an update Rip with mallers and back
Minnaar Treasury · 126w
Maybe there are other incentives?
Marcelinho · 126w
do you have any recommended sources about that topic?
bitcoin.rocks · 126w
What is the incentive for federation members to participate then?
xyzy · 126w
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unit · 126w
Trade Offs El Salvador Is More Of A Blockstream and Bitfinex Country All The Bitcoin Backed Bonds And Securities Will Be Traded Over The Liquid Network Think About It🤔
BTCapsule 🏴 · 126w
Liquid is not a proper sidechain. True 2-way peg sidechains are not possible without a softfork. Their own website says this. Neither Liquid nor Fedimint can scale Bitcoin or give us decentralized self-custody and privacy. #Bitcoin has to change, and the government does not want that to happen.
deleted · 126w
Considering that no one uses liquid...not surprised anyone has looked into it. Explains why no merchants give a shit about adopting it either. Thanks for digging 🤙
niftynei() 🇺🇸💸🧡 · 126w
I asked Adam about the logic for it last year, he told me the fees go to pay for rotating the federation’s onchain utxos, to refresh the timelocks if they dont get regularly rotated, eventually the onchain funds can be spent by a smaller emergency keys multisig it’s a normal cost for any multi...
Theory of Everything · 126w
Adam Back was cited in the White paper. Federations are a way to donate your bitcoin to an organization, Not to keep it for yourself. Federated tokens are shitcoins too.
Bitcoin Bay · 126w
Seems like Blockstream may be a sleeping megacorp
Muuny · 126w
TIL
Minnaar Treasury · 126w
https://blog.liquid.net/the-truth-about-liquid/
Nate Flateau · 126w
In their FAQs https://image.nostr.build/40a5a464cfcc382bfa0ad4f1c107b85042e4346d3d57965d4e79c6a232f5716a.jpg
nobody · 126w
the neat thing is that you don't pay but have to trust FEDERATION.
Raspysky4ef · 126w
HOLY SHIT!! I didn’t know that. That’s fucked up. Should change that. Now I’m irritated.
Gildong.Hong · 126w
Their ultimate goal. nostr:note1kpffp3xr48szuh7jventmfwac789menesecat49et4pyq8ph8wvqklrjad
Cyber Seagull · 126w
#Monero https://image.nostr.build/47f67a6c24fb7bbfbff95cbaa3a8b98549b57b9670c43b6a097ed3626e3fb0f3.jpg#m=image%2Fjpeg&dim=1200x675&blurhash=iVH2%24OyZOSxHnNXRWZs9ox4p%25Fe%40oyWBV%40t6bcV%40x%5DMy%24yR%3ARjofj%3FV%40bHWBWBayt6WZt6V%40WUofV%5Bj%3DR%2Baet6WEaxj%5Day&x=0a9e3c52ffd0ac930588603b34393c35...
nostrich · 126w
Using #SideSwap (sideswap.io) as an example, they charge a 0.1% fee to peg in from & peg out to the main chain. They provide a swap market for things like liquid tether, and along with this an instant swap service where they take the other side for ~0.75% spread. These fees likely provide proper inc...
M0053 · 126w
1. Business is not evil. And the tradeoffs for this network are tweaked and different than the base layer by design. No one has to use it. 2. I see a lot of black and white thinking in these comments which will lead us in circles. We HAVE to choose which compromises we are willing to use on v...
captjack 🏴‍☠️✨💜 · 126w
hmm noted - Burned 7.50667257 L-BTC % is really small - compare that abrupt LND channel closing FEE on mainnet - its insignificant amt
captjack 🏴‍☠️✨💜 · 126w
LND has only ~5000 BTC locked observe some dummies in the thread unware that 50000BTC LOCKED in EVM chains WRAPPED BTC ERC20 BEP20 AVAX20 PLG20 those are real BTC LOCK NOBODY TALK ABOUT THAT in NOSTR why ?