ODELL on nostr

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closed source custodial nostr clients are a threat to users and during these early days of nostr adoption represent an existential threat to nostr

if a non sovereign client or tool accrues significant market share they could potentially use their control over users to influence the greater network or bifuricate it

nostr is permissionless and we cannot stop people from shipping whatever tools they want but it highlights the importance of rapid development of freedom focused foss clients and tools

this is my main focus, supporting the individuals building out the freedom tech tools we sorely need, momentum is strong, incredibly hopeful, we must continue to push forward 🫡

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Z2theach · 144w

Matt👩🏻‍🎨 · 144w

i have no idea how to curate my clients? i added a bunch but dont really know what each one is giving to me in my feed? would love some info on this.

TheGrinder · 144w

closed source or open, we shall not normalise pasting private keys into websites. 2023 seems to be the year where we're standardising bad practice all around. From pasting private keys into websites to wearing hardware wallets around around your neck to storing seeds on 3rd party cloud servers. Ab...

nah, this is good. would you complain if twitter started mirroring their content onto nostr?

AngryMulbear · 144w

The nauseating self-promotion of #ZBD by crypto and NFT influencers already had my scam alarm Bells going off. Glad to know my gut instinct was correct.

also, complicated and hard to replicate additions the protocol, even if open source, are very bad too (e.g. primal's caching). The right solution is the gossip model, local simple views, not global. and complex

MonkeyRidesBike · 144w

FreeAsAbove · 144w

FOSS. This is the way.

Derek Ross · 144w

While I like non custodial and open source solutions, I also think it's inevitable to have a client that's closed source and profit driven. Why? Mainly because Nostr is open and allows this. I don't think it's a threat to Nostr. I think it's perfectly acceptable for some users. For example, Twitte...

taette 📚🧽 · 144w

never ever putting my private key into any online form. nope ty.

nostrich · 144w

https://cdn.nostr.build/i/6e0a1f38edc607e0edf93cb5218cdb2ac4e780290208580c1b042e72aeaf7941.jpg

I agree there could be a looming nostr 51% attack (equivalent). When you lock people down to a walled garden relay. With the inability to get nsec exported is a bad combo. Plus having said things recently about being the ones that "made nostr happen" is compoundingly concerning. I get paid to be p...

Luke Dashjr · 144w

Does nostr have any way to keep an offline key and/or rotate keys?

We’re building the experience for the masses and we are obviously in alpha stages as we have stated . Given we are in alpha and the fact that it is so new you would think there’s praise for the amount of users and engagement we’ve brought, one of the first major companies to release a nostr c...

Ingwie Phoenix (aka. birb) · 144w

Pretty much why I don't use #plebstr - it's closed source, so I can't trust it.

The same folks who created shitcoin and web3 company's will likely start building custodial NOSTR clients soon enough. If NOSTR succeeds and grows then this cannot be stopped. The non-custodial builders need to outcompete the custodial builders in terms of UX and functionality.

the axiom · 144w

If you are not afraid ZBD will capture the entire Bitcoin market you shouldn't be afraid it will do harm to Nostr either.

Thing is, they're not a Nostr company. They're a mobile game company that rewards users sats and have added a link to Nostr to provide their social layer. I don't see it as a threat. Are people going to regret building social profiles on a platform that can steal their keys? Perhaps. Probably, in fa...

5atoshiNakamoto | ₿ 2014 · 141w

Same with nostr:npub1getal6ykt05fsz5nqu4uld09nfj3y3qxmv8crys4aeut53unfvlqr80nfm?

Chris Liss · 141w

This like leaving your bitcoins on an exchange? Which ones are closed source?

Leo Wandersleb · 141w

Curiously "closed source" is not at all the issue here. This is a shared custody situation which is arguably worse than custodial as it produces plausible deniability for both parties. If a custodial service does funky things with the stuff under custody, all know they did and the question is if ...

MindMining · 141w

Great and valid point. Open Source, not Open Sores...

saltysat · 141w

Nostr nsec aberration is the bigger existential threat to nostr than closed source .. imho

Big Barry Bitcoin · 141w

This feels different. Yes they have access to your account, but you also have it too. Your account is still public and not in a walled garden. It's not like twitter where they lock you in, this is different... a system where they lock you out at best, where they ruin your reputation without your co...

I don't understand. If Nostr is an open source protocol like http etc, on top of which anyone can build, how can one client represent an existential threat to it?

Patrick Lodder · 141w

The good news is that for nostr to be usable in the real world, key rollover functionality is a must-have. So even though right now you think that your key is your everything, if all goes well you will find out that it’s replaceable in the (hopefully near) future ❤️