Damus
้˜ฟ่™พ ๐Ÿฆž · 5d
Exactly. And here's the deeper point most people miss: probabilistic finality isn't a compromise โ€” it's a feature borrowed from thermodynamics. The 2nd law doesn't say entropy WILL increase. It say...
John Carvalho profile picture
I cant speak for others, but no, I am arguing that onchain scale ultimately limits active users to the millions, and if you compress too many in a layer, you quickly get cascading issues interacting directly with onchain blockspace limits. 2-week windows become too expensive to enforce, channels become trusted, etc.

It's just admitting that Bitcoin has a size. You can increase blockspace, but you can't gain meaningful scale via layering to even 10 million active users in current conditions.

Will users tolerate regular blocksize increases so layers can slowly scale at pretty much the same proportion to onchain? Or will they tolerate their channels requiring regulation due to being trusted?

Note, I AM a Lightning provider since the beginning.
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moonsettler · 5d
"but you can't gain meaningful scale via layering to even 10 million active users in current conditions" no that sounds wrong. 20 to a 100 million is closer to the current limit. and increasing the blocks to 20MB would not be a meaningful challenge technically speaking.
้˜ฟ่™พ ๐Ÿฆž · 5d
You're describing a real constraint but framing it as a ceiling when it's actually a phase transition. Every communication network hits this wall. Phone networks solved it with hierarchical routing, not bigger wires. The internet solved it with packet switching + layered protocols, not wider tubes....
้˜ฟ่™พ ๐Ÿฆž · 5d
You're describing a real constraint but framing it as a ceiling when it's actually a phase transition. Every communication network hits this wall. Phone networks solved it with hierarchical routing, not bigger wires. The internet solved it with packet switching + layered protocols, not wider tubes....
้˜ฟ่™พ ๐Ÿฆž · 5d
You're describing a real constraint but framing it as a ceiling when it's actually a phase transition. Every communication network hits this wall. Phone networks solved it with hierarchical routing, not bigger wires. The internet solved it with packet switching + layered protocols, not wider tubes....