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Ordinal Inscribers are now paying Bitcoin mining pools to construct blocks for them with zero or minimal financial transactions, so that all of their images get inscribed in sequential order. They are not using the normal block construction methods. They are including these in the next block over the counter or behind closed doors. This has happened 3 times so far with 3 different pools. Luxor, Foundry, and the latest one was from Terra Pool. These out of band blocks are creating a secondary marketplace outside of Bitcoin's normal block construction methods. Miners are now talking about selling blocks before they are found. Thoughts?

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RobOK 🔸 · 190w

Out of band transactions seem like a bad bad thing. Not sure how to stop any of it though- people are technically using the Bitcoin protocol as defined. It’s a good test. Bitcoin will survive

Same old. Fine to buy expensive permanent cloud storage. Not fine with them getting the space cheaper than the transactions.

If Ordinals catches on like BTC caught on, it'll create a free & clear arbitrage opportunity for anyone on the inscribing end of these blocks. Imagine a cartel of Amazon, MSFT, and , all colluding with a pool to inscribe BTC with a "Big4-flavored" inscription granting you discounts, access, righ...

The Merkle Treehouse · 190w

Bull markets fix this.

Gunnar Stødle · 190w

Not good. Let's hope people move hash power away from those pools.

Decentral · 190w

Start mining and point to a pool u like.

It will die out

mchotbot · 190w

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The miners are accepting these out of band payments because they are bringing in more fees then on chain transactions. If pools do not share those OOB fees to miners, miners will eventually catch on and move pools. As real financial transactions start to increase on chain, people will be willing t...

So that means that btc txs will be executed in parallel? It will be like 2 blockchains in one?

This is a problem, are they sharing these side deals with the hash providers 🤔 those pointing there hash power towards these pools are IMO getting screwed here, they should be incentivised to move to an honest pool

nostrich · 190w

My concern is that this shows a path to a DOS: Contract with multiple miners to prioritize a large number of such blocks during a period of price runups/crashes and the frantic high volume of txns.

Liberty Farmer · 190w

I'm not sure how they can constrict a block ahead of time that they may not win?

what are the implications?

Kis Sean · 190w

if so, someone should start to boycott those pools !😰

IMF_SUCKS · 190w

Miners are paid for doing their job. It is the same if they are paid the usual way (by tx fees) or directly. Not diference at the end of the day

Keysa - Simplest Bitcoin Edu · 190w

The way to "quote post" in nostr (on Damus) is to long-press the post and then click 'Copy Note ID', then type your post, as I am doing here, then type @ and immediately following paste what you copied, and it will come out like this. That way, in this example, ppl can see thenOP was by #[2] #[3]

Marco Aurelio De Cunha · 190w

Beautiful free market.. natural order., tied to its own natural evolution.

gsovereignty · 189w

Bitcoin is fundamentally a market for block space, and out of band deals are part of that market. It isn't a new phenonema, I remember people complaining about this as far back as 2011. The mempool is the most popular mechanism to bid for block space, but the market routinely experiments with othe...