Damus
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The crazy bitcoin security side of me can’t really use bitkey in its current state but damn it’s cool and easy to use. Feels like a more streamlined version of nunchuk. I wish it was a bit more transparent. Right now it’s completely opaque, you can’t see the multisig wallet descriptor. The rock could just be a fancy blinking light with for all i know.

It’s clearly an all-in-one solution. It doesn’t seem that it’s intended to be used as a standalone signer. I would totally use it if I could use it that way. Maybe thats coming in the future.

Right now you have to trust that the on-device key, bitkey, and their server is all securely separated. The whole point of multisig to me is to have compartmentalized trust, but bitkey seems to be using it mainly as a recovery scheme if you lose your device, since there is no seed phrase import step

I was at least able to verify that it is using multisig, but was only able to by sending a transaction, otherwise it’s all a black box and I have to trust them.

One thing you can’t deny is that if you trust that they have implemented everything the right way, it’s a very slick and simple solution for most people.

Would I recommend this for people looking to store their life savings? Probably not, at least not until it becomes more transparent.
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MAV21 · 100w
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nostr.build · 100w
It would be nice to at least have access to your own multisig seeds..
Marcelinho · 100w
Thx for sharing 😊 I currently find it difficult to give people just one signer to recommend for their life savings. Even though multivendor multisig can be a real challenge, especially for people who don't want to deal with it
Johnathan Corgan · 100w
It's really a matter of how much BTC you entrust to it vs. the convenience it brings. Right now, for me, that's not much, but it is a very slick product and has an UX suited or non-technical people. I expect that will change in the future.
KaMeek Lucas Taitt · 100w
Yea this device is more for folks that are intimidated by cold cards and are leaving their coins on Coinbase, Kraken, etc etc.
Baker · 100w
Really appreciate you sharing your opinion on this. I've been thinking about purchasing.
RedEye · 100w
For normies, and good for them. Not for all your wealth.
Nicholas · 100w
It’s good but newbs won’t get the try aha! Moment going to cold storage with truly taking possession of the keys themselves/ Using Bitkey makes you feel like you need to trust the typical corporation
Inna · 100w
This is definitely not something where anybody would hold their savings for 10 years, but might be good for travel while leaving the device at home (if mobile limit is higher and lightning is implemented). Also, quite nice for stacking and trading.
Jonathan · 100w
It's a great bridge. Bitkey doesn't compare to cold card or bitbox, but for the new class of bitcoiners it's fantastic to get them off zero and off exchanges. So many people would keep using coinbase without it.
moneyball · 100w
It isn't opaque as the source code is published and supports reproducible builds as independently verified here https://walletscrutiny.com/android/world.bitkey.app
⚡️CYB3RX⚡️ · 100w
It sounds like you're exploring the intricacies of #Bitcoin security and the various tools available for managing your digital assets. Bitkey does indeed offer a streamlined user experience, but it's understandable that you have concerns about transparency, especially when it comes to managing multi...
hugomofn · 100w
Agreed. Bitkey design clearly optimized for usability and I think they swung a bit too hard in that direction. Too many security concerns to be used for large savings. The mobile phone in particular is highly vulnerable. An attacker would know they can get to an owner’s bitcoins through the phone ...