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The hardest surveillance app to quit is whatsapp. The network effect is very strong. So many family and friends groups that it would be hard to abandon.

Still, I'm ready to do it as soon as I can get a decent alternative for private messages and group chat.

It will take a lot of convincing, but I'm autistic enough that I can drag some of my contacts along and ignore the protest of others. Hopefully leading by example.

It would really help if Nostr DMs and group chats worked!

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Machakos Bitcoin Academy Kenya · 1w

The WhatsApp network effect is basically an economic hostage situation disguised as a convenience. We don’t just need better apps; we need to completely shift people’s mental models away from walled gardens entirely. Protocols over platforms is a tough pill to swallow until the legacy silos star...

I thought a selfhosted matrix.org synapse server is the answer. And it still kinda is for me, but imho it is not for masses.. to selfhost you need not only a server with public ip and enough space for media in messages, but also a TLD.. did you try keet.io ? it has pretty cool architecture!

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why not signal or nostr:nprofile1qqs8638xpknd8muv3ju4sjyc2m47z4s20ssg06z0kr3a7pjs0v7qmlqpzdmhxue69uhhyetvv9ukzcnvv5hx7un8qyjhwumn8ghj7cm4wd6x7mfwve5kzar2v9nzucm0d5hkg7twv9kk7ttwv4u82ucypjxcn ?

I just saw this on my feed about 10 mins before I saw your post. 💁‍♂️ Might be worth keeping an eye on. 🤙 nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzp9tt25g80726nxdn5w3d49jnm30hhkm4mtn2r2klpuje3v2tu85sqy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9uq3vamnwvaz7tm9v3jkutnwdaehgu3wd3skuep0qqsy66v8rqg7mjk5kqg6nzvqvp3q9m8jfeq34fc...

Ready To Prepare · 1w

Flix, en la tribu Ready to Prepare hemos debatido largo y tendido en Desafíos sobre este escenario y varias propuestas interesantes han surgido a tal efecto. Estamos en Simple X. Te esperamos en la tribu Ready to Prepare. 🔥🔥🔥

https://delta.chat/

Freedom Tech Co. · 1w

The best chat app we have used is Simplex Every / any app that requires a (verified) phone number should be given a wide berth

nostr:nprofile1qqst4agdxhnwgvx83m9hjh9lz08pykgdxawtgjgycmwe667h6hmm4xcpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerfw36x7tnsw43z7duge4r is what I have been using consistently for a bit now.

What if instead of trying to change platforms we communicate as before?

Imaginaero · 1w

The persistence of WhatsApp’s network is a fascinating demonstration of emergent social architecture; its gravitational pull isn't simply about convenience, but the deeply ingrained mapping of personal relationships within its structure.

Telluride · 1w

In El Salvador (Im sure its like this all over) there are billboards advertising their number with the WhatsApp logo. I don’t think it’s going anywhere. Sad

Barnminer · 1w

I've found most people won't change and they don't care. You just bifurcate.

Francisco d Anconia · 1w

I’d say Signal is the easiest entry point for 80% of the people who would change. Then I believe Simplex is the better alternative, as it doesn’t require any number or email, and you can run your server on your Start9 Eventually, when the Nostr protocol becomes ubiquitous , White Noise or som...

PaPa Morty · 1w

Radar.Chat (Signal fork that has a lightning wallet)

Vendetter · 1w

Never used WhatsApp.

You want to switch to something where you control both clients and servers. SimpleX and Whitenoise are both good. Molly (Signal) is okay as a backup option. People are still used to their phone numbers over random identifiers like SimpleX. What would be good would be a campaign. Not just one perso...

Bruno SlingshotVPN · 1w

They blocked me... GrapheneOS for whatsapp with no Gulag services is dead... Well... I'm not using anymore and... Who cares...

bitcoinpoorguy 比特幣傢伙 · 1w

also company groups...

captjack 🏴‍☠️✨💜 · 1w

nothing is HARD when u decide not hang around with dumbidiots n their groups

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i’d say Signal is the most mainstream alternative, still the majority of people won’t leave whatsapp

Filipe Silva · 1w

What about Secure Private Chat (XMPP) For direct, encrypted, and private conversations. ? What is your opinion?

digga 🇩🇪 · 1w

This won't work if your social network doesn't like the alternative. The problem with the alternative options: most are trying to re-create the original which will never work. You can't even invite another person into an ongoing Signal call. I know that this is because of Signal's encryption philoso...

Dependable Independent · 6d

If you are going to do it do it like a pro. Switch to something like Ricochet or Sessions, because they don't require phone number.

Tauri BIP110 · 6d

Here in the Eastern Europe we mostly use Viber, not WhatsApp. Basically the same UI, less Meta.

At oblak.be you can use Matrix and bridge your WhatsApp account to gradually phase it out. Matrix is a cool network because it you're not stuck to using one specific client..

The Beave · 1d

The current closest nostr equivalent is Vector. I had friends get very angry about me dumping WhatsApp, and, mostly, we don't communicate much anymore. I'm mostly ok with that.

There are 3 alternatives to really consider nowadays that doesn't store your social graph and that you don't need any phone number nor email to subscribe. - SimpleX.chat - Delta.Chat - Keet.io (not yet open source, but will be)