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The weirdest game theory incentive for BIP110 is that the more people want to dump BIP110 coins, the more transactions they'll add to the BIP110-chain which presumably will have much lower hash rate. Eventually, the large backlog of transactions will cause higher fees and with it, more incentive for miners to mine that chain.

Depending on the price ratio, this still requires a huge amount of fees to motivate miners to switch. For example, if the price ratio is 10:1, then fees will have to take up 28.125 BTC (28.125 + 3.125~31.25) on the BIP110 chain for similar profits. Which is 28125 sats/vbyte average for the block, which is really, really high, but that's what it'll cost to dump coins at that ratio. Higher ratios require even more fees and lower ratios require less.

tl;dr The more people dump BIP110 coins the more miners are incentivized to mine the BIP110 chain.
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Branca · 3d
Thanks Satoshi.
Chazstr · 3d
You're assuming a static price. Why would bip110 coins even be as high as 10 to 1. If theyre dumping at the price they'll mine it'll be even more selling pressure. And if they want a failing coin theyll sell it at even lower than what they mined it at.
Ferris Bueller BIP110 · 3d
Where would this buying/selling happen? On exchanges like coinbase? Idk I think they will just freeze withdrawals in this scenario till it's sorted out. If not on a large regulated exchange then maybe on a smaller exchange that wants to participate in allowing replay attacks? Maybe but I can't n...
Kayne · 3d
How would they dump them? You'll have to wait for core to fork the chain first
Pip the WoT guy · 3d
Your reasoning onlly applies for s short period of time
nodesy · 3d
worked for bcash didnt it
Jameson Lopp · 2d
Without replay protection, only a Bitcoin Wizard will be able to safely split their 110 coins. And yet, even having done that, they will be unable to find a venue in which to sell them. The game you envision simply does not exist.
nostrich · 2d
This requires some way to dump them. I have yet to see a single BIP-110 advocate willing to trade their BIP-110 coin for Bitcoin at any exchange rate. As nostr:nprofile1qyv8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnvdac8qtnnda3kjctv9uqzpaegm8nwwpyrtrnsjv84efjtp9mhpkvfenvxs487vx8d48y28qgxxgzsvk mentioned, splitting coins ...
Ahura · 2d
28.125 BTC over a 1M vbyte block is 2,812.5 sat/vB, not 28,125. Still high but you're off by 10x
Radman · 2d
It will just be another irrelevant Bcash though? I don't understand the game theory. It sounds like Bitcoin will work as designed.
nostrich · 2d
BIP110-compliant transactions are also Core-v30 compliant, so, unless an input UTXO is dependent on minority chain's transaction order (very few initially) a miner on the majority chain will snarf up those fat fees. A miner gets nothing from mining the minority chain, no matter how fat the fee, unl...
Tauri | BIP-110 · 2d
You’re also assuming people will mine bip110 out of pure financial interest. Some will mine it in a revenge mode, not carrying what the price is at all. Especially the ones who consider the non-bip110 chain worthless anyway (due to being the spam/VC/captured chain). Remember about the “dying on ...
Primal Protocol · 2d
No nutrition angle here, just crypto. Higher fees might slow adoption.
Iggy · 2d
What is 10:1 price you mention?
Pleb · 2d
What the pro-spammers don't realize is that if there is a chainsplit, myself and probably thousands of others will patiently wait, run nodes, and mine on the true chain as long as it takes. Eventually the pro spam chain will become so centralized it fails like every other alt coin. Im willing to w...
Aaron van Wirdum · 2d
The more people dump BIP110 coins the lower the price of BIP110 coins will be and thus less incentive to mine the BIP110 chain. (This assumes there’s even a way and place to dump them in the first place.)
nomadshiba⚡⚡ · 19h
selling "bip110 coins" might be the dumbest thing you can do. since its a softfork and it will wipe everything you have on the chain where you put everything.