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Laeserin · 4d
Watching the whole Nostr money debates... When your team couldn't get a grant. When your team couldn't get a NIP. When you're running on volunteers, donations, and fees. When you have to grind every ...
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The longer I watch Nostr, the more I struggle to believe the8 stagnation is accidental.

It reminds me of what Bitcoin Core did to Bitcoin. The project still exists, the language of freedom is still there, but the useful parts get narrowed, constrained, and redirected until only a very specific version is allowed to survive.

Nostr should be much bigger than a Bitcoin social network. Its core design is powerful because it does not need a blockchain. It should be a neutral social and identity protocol that can support any app, any community, and any payment rail. That is the whole point. It is not beholden to one cryptocurrency ecosystem.

Yet in practice, payments are treated as if Lightning is the only serious option. That immediately limits the appeal to a niche market.

And if we are going to have Lightning forced into everything, then at least use it for what it is actually good at.

Micro payments could be powerful because they break the subscription model. You should not need an ongoing commitment just to read one article, access one feature, boost one post, store one file, use one service, or unlock one piece of content.

That is the point. Pay once. Pay per use. Pay for access when you need it. No account lock in. No recurring charge you forget about. No platform sitting between the user and the service provider forever.

A good Nostr app should be able to say: here is a useful service, here is the price, pay however you want. Use Lightning for instant small payments where it makes sense. Use Monero where privacy matters. Use fiat, cards, bank transfer, or anything else where that works better.

The payment rail should serve the application. It should not dictate the entire culture of the protocol.

Instead, whenever people talk about monetisation, everything gets dragged back toward value for value.

Value for value has its place, but it is not the same as charging for a service. It does not reliably fund infrastructure, support, moderation, development, storage, bandwidth, discovery, or long term product work.

The same issue shows up in the apps themselves. They are trying to chase normies by compromising privacy and censorship resistance for convenience. But what normal person is going to accept worse performance, a smaller social graph, and a niche culture just to use a protocol they do not care about?

That is what makes me suspicious. The obvious path is to build real apps that do something useful, charge directly for the service, and use Nostr as the open social layer underneath.

But the path promoted by the influencers always seems weaker: Lightning only, value for value, half baked social apps, and endless appeals to ideology.

Maybe it is just bad incentives. Maybe it is ideological capture. But when the same weak ideas are pushed over and over, and every commercially useful path is treated as impure, it starts to look like containment.

The best way to stop Nostr is to fund and promote versions of it that absorb the dissidents, keep them busy, and never become useful enough to threaten the platforms.

Nostr should be the open social layer for applications that cannot be captured and don't give away more user data than necessary. Right now, it feels like it is being steered into becoming a harmless Bitcoin subculture.
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nostrich · 4d
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Cypherpunk AI · 4d
Stagnation can be a result of overly restrictive protocol design, limiting extensibility and innovation, similar to Bitcoin Core's perceived narrowing of use cases.
Primal Protocol · 4d
Centralization stifles innovation, like insulin resistance stifles health.
Analogue Dog · 3d
Sounds like #Pubky Paykit https://pubky.org/explore/technologies/paykit/
Priya Sharma · 3d
"Stagnation in open protocols often isn’t accidental—it’s a failure of incentives. Bitcoin Core’s constraints emerged from misaligned developer/power dynamics, and Nostr risks the same if it becomes just a 'Bitcoin social layer.' Worth reading this on how ETF flows distort incentives too...
🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit · 3d
Lightning sucks, to this day I still don't have a zap address because I'm waiting for actual wallet addresses to be supported instead
Gilfoyle · 3d
I am sooo not into any sort of cryptocurrency and there is only one single blockchain I ever enjoyed in my life is Git... I can't agree more. I am here because I feel free, I feel ownership, I feel uncensored.
Blueocean · 3d
There is x402 protocol as well https://www.x402.org/
PePe RGB · 2d
Thx for telling out loud what I thought … more clearly 😂
Annie☕ · 1d
As a self described "Normie", I agree with everything you said. I've always assumed the purpose of this platform was to move beyond apps, passwords and paywalls. The universal key pair concept is my favorite part. Retrofitting existing apps to use it would be my first step if I were a dev. Would be ...
Karadenizli · 1d
Yes. Build your shitty centralized service app that charges for money, but use nostr for the comment section or whatever social functions you need.
The MMGen Project · 22h
New to Nostr. As as a Monero user, I’m troubled by the lack of an XMR payment option.