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Jacob | Five Eye Tea
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I won't lie, I'm at the point where I think I'm just DONE trying to get into #Bitcoin, #Monero or any other coin.

I love the technology. I think it's phenomenal, it presents some truly incredible future possibilities. I also do think it has the potential to free people from the fiat scam. I wouldn't be on Nostr and continually trying to find ways to get into this space if I didn't believe in it.

However, its number one weakness is KYC/AML. Even to buy small amounts, you have to upload sensitive documents to an exchange with some stupid selfie, and you have absolutely no way of verifying that they are doing their absolute best guarding that data even if I were comfortable with them having it (I'm not). It's not even the concern of them tying my identity to my Bitcoin (though that is still problematic), I just don't have any intentions of trusting a CEX with my sensitive data, I am aware of no-KYC DEXes and Bitcoin ATMs. Neither of them work without major sacrifice, risk or geographic issues.

With DEXes, you're risking your money trading with sellers that might not honor the deal. Sure, you usually have escrows, but then you're trusting that DEX. Ignoring that issue for a moment, whatever DEXes I'm on have offers that usually demand either cash by mail or credit card, ans some of them actually run KYC checks of their own. Cash by mail is a huge risk in this day and age, and I certainly have no plans to send a credit card number to a total stranger (and that's assuming one has a credit card; I don't). Then, once again, ignoring that issue brings up another one: the minimum trade amount. Nine times out of ten, any offers I see on a DEX set like a $150 minimum. Problem is, for people like me who just want to start slowly, to test the waters, this is problematic as well. Plus, it goes back to the high potential for scams, and risking $150 that I'm locking away is not a good risk to take, particularly when you're in a tight financial spot like I am.

Then, you have Bitcoin ATMs. Provided you can find one (only one in my area and not in the best town), you're going to spend truly exorbitant amounts on their fees. The one near me charges 20%. If I wanted to start with, say, $50 to start stacking, they'd take $10 of that. Plus, unlike other industries, I've found that it's very difficult to find reviews on these companies and as such, I have no idea how reputable the company is.

At the end of the day, I seriously don't know how y'all do it. Are you all just complying with the absurd KYC regulations or what? Because every other method I've tried (and believe me, I've tried so much) has fallen through in spectacular fashion. How can Bitcoin truly become the replacement I believe it can be, if we all have to either go along with draconian regulations or make a big financial risk?

Please help me understand, because I really am at the point where I'm thinking I'm done trying.

#asknostr #KYC
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DM for new npub · 81w
nostr:nprofile1qqs238xfxyh395snmlhpx9ts9set77y8p5vupk0hp5yq9xfrmxkca9cpz4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezummcw3ezuer9wchszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz7qgawaehxw309ahx7um5wghxy6t5vdhkjmn9wgh8xmmrd9skctc7qcadf there are always tradeoffs in life. The ATMs are expensive because the market values that set of trade-offs.
John James · 81w
Hey mate! Join a local bitcoin meetup in the nearest city… not sure how far out you live, but if you are within a couple hours drive of a major town there are probably a couple Bitcoiners having a meetup of some sort there. Buying Peer to Peer is the ideal scenario and even if you only go into to...
XeqT Monetary Freedom (∞/21M) + (₿+⚡) = 🧡 · 81w
Unfortunately, if you want to do anything meaningful in this world, it requires providing documentation. Your fear is justified, but also, in my opinion, a bit exaggerated. I'd be more concerned about stacking as much #Bitcoin as I can, before the rest of the world wakes up. The wealthiest people...
Revolution☠️ · 81w
So for small amounts you can try Lighting with your own Node . If am I right you don’t need any KYC etc. Example can be: Zeus Wallet etc . Take me with reserve and and ask more people here and watch some videos 👍
Dan Wedge · 81w
I think you are getting in your own way by lettering perfect be the enemy of done. I appreciate you are looking for non kyc but by not holding any you are not bettering your situation.
John James · 81w
If you want to DM me and I can help walk you through any questions you have about Bisq, the basics of buying P2P, self custody, etc 🫡
aeon · 81w
cex that don't ask for documents (pocketbitcoin in europe).p2p (bisq, hodlhodl, robosats). exchange cash in local community events. find a trusted dealer which you can send cash via mail. it's all about trade offs
OB · 81w
to me, sounds like you have massively underestimated how much KYC/AML there is on you just for being born. your fingerprints, eyes, gait and almost everything else is probably out there and very easy to obtain. far bigger risk storing time & energy in fiat over bitcoin financially, if limited, you...
Ren · 81w
That’s the price to pay for now. Depends on how you value your privacy. It’s gonna get lower and easier with time.
Keel · 81w
Bisq (buy/sell, p2p, Bitcoin, Monero, https://bisq.network/) Haveno (buy/sell, p2p, Monero, https://haveno-reto.com/) Robosats (buy/sell, p2p, Bitcoin, https://learn.robosats.com/) Hodlhodl (buy/sell, p2p, Bitcoin, https://hodlhodl.com/) @lnp2pbot Telegram channel (buy/sell, p2p, Bitcoin, https://t...
Keel · 81w
Check out Azteco vouchers, they may help you to start your Bitcoin journey.
techjunkie · 81w
Bisq, Robosats (with simple app on Android), nostr:npub15369wu3wzzar5fclhecyqfv683x69n6nhlg7rxqnsg2dydgxflpq3apswl, nostr:npub1yul83qxn35u607er3m7039t6rddj06qezfagfqlfw4qk5z5slrfqu8ncdu work great without KYC.
dddddddddh · 81w
I've been using Bisq for 4 years now and have never had an issue with the exchange or with anyone I'm transacting with. Obviously that's not a guarantee you wouldn't have an issue, but from my experience, the risk is low. Granted, it's a little bit of a hassle to get started since you need to alread...
nostrich · 81w
Look into Haveno. https://haveno-reto.com
(Deleted Account) · 81w
Step 1: Overcome fear. Step 2: Invest only what you can afford to lose. Step 3: ??? Step 4: Profit.
nostrich · 80w
People that should know better. Programmers of open source software. Don't accept monero, accept only the top few scam coins or more often then not think all crypto is a scam and accept nothing but patreon and PayPal and Normie's don't know fuck all about nothing and think its all bullshit. But like...