Im not trying to trap you. Its just wveryone throws that term arpund. I sure did. But lately yall all soumd like fucking communist hippies talkimg about building communities and what. Community=centralization. Stop saying you are a bitcoiner and refer to yourself as an individual. Groups are not decentralized. And everyone of yall "bitcoiners" shit on anyone that doesnt use lightning which is.....im not even going to say it becsuse most of yall refuse to see the real problems and just say what every shitcoiner says. "It isnt perfect but we are getting there! You know what is perfect right now? L1 and UTXO's. These " bitcoiners" you refer to have hijacked bitcoin's github and silenxe those that speak out. Any criticism of lightning is imkideitly silenced. So yeah i am still cinfused wtf a bitcoiner is