Another discussion where someone cites the rise of alt-right in Europeā¦
AfD: 30% FPĆ: 30% LePen: 30% Reform UK: 25-30%
ā¦only to summarise it with a convenient argument that āat least 30-40 percent of any given population is fucked in the headā.
Itās extremely simplistic and ignorant excuse.
There are specific social reasons why AfD etc rise in polls. Merkelās āWir schaffen dasā was one of them, the European left abandoning their usual voter base - local working people - for niche minority groups was nother. Voters see that and choose those who resonate to their problems. I highlight the word āresonateā, because they are not solving them, thatās the essence of populism.
What response I get? Another both arrogant and ignorant excuse:
So concentration camps for nonwhites solve everything? No more fascism?
Iām explaining why voters move to these parties, not endorsing their methods.
If anyone is to blame, itās the morons from mainstream parties who for decades chose to ignore these reasons.
And no, please donāt try to create a false choice between āzero immigration checkā and āconcentration campsā as the only alternatives.
This is one of the manipulative eristic tricks that muted all rational debate one these real social challenges for years. Thatās the very hysterical attitude that resulted in mainstream parties hiding their head in the sandā¦ and allowing the problem to grow.
Another response:
You know, those āproblemsā have existed for decades. Centuries even. There was never one pure blooded population with 0 exchange.
Firstly, it has nothing to with race purity. Manipulative projecting someoneās racist ideas on everyone talking of immigration is another classic trick that muted that debate.
Want a simple solution? Request that all migrants, legal or illegal, from US or Asia, simply sign declaration they recognise the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union.[^1]
Can you see anything racist or discriminatory in it? Most likely youāve never read it yourself, because being born in Europe youāve been for years socialised in the spirit of the Charter - equality, rule of law, freedom of speech, non-discrimination.
And the argument that the challenge existed for centuries is true, but only in XX century Europe switched to a delusional policy where ancient religious or tribal habits are expected to be treated as equal with all the European values we built this successful civilisation on.
Misinterpreted extreme āmulticulturalismā created an absurd situation where everyone is expected to follow the Charter by defaultā¦ except for those who donāt know of it or reject it. More absurdly this rejection should be protected by the very Charter.
Iām not talking about forcing peopleās religion or cultureā¦ except for parts dramatically incompatible with European human rights.
Things like precedence of religious or tribal laws over civil law, blood revenge, female genital mutilation - you move to EU, you must reject them or stay away.
[^1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_of_Fundamental_Rights_of_the_European_Union
AfD: 30% FPĆ: 30% LePen: 30% Reform UK: 25-30%
ā¦only to summarise it with a convenient argument that āat least 30-40 percent of any given population is fucked in the headā.
Itās extremely simplistic and ignorant excuse.
There are specific social reasons why AfD etc rise in polls. Merkelās āWir schaffen dasā was one of them, the European left abandoning their usual voter base - local working people - for niche minority groups was nother. Voters see that and choose those who resonate to their problems. I highlight the word āresonateā, because they are not solving them, thatās the essence of populism.
What response I get? Another both arrogant and ignorant excuse:
So concentration camps for nonwhites solve everything? No more fascism?
Iām explaining why voters move to these parties, not endorsing their methods.
If anyone is to blame, itās the morons from mainstream parties who for decades chose to ignore these reasons.
And no, please donāt try to create a false choice between āzero immigration checkā and āconcentration campsā as the only alternatives.
This is one of the manipulative eristic tricks that muted all rational debate one these real social challenges for years. Thatās the very hysterical attitude that resulted in mainstream parties hiding their head in the sandā¦ and allowing the problem to grow.
Another response:
You know, those āproblemsā have existed for decades. Centuries even. There was never one pure blooded population with 0 exchange.
Firstly, it has nothing to with race purity. Manipulative projecting someoneās racist ideas on everyone talking of immigration is another classic trick that muted that debate.
Want a simple solution? Request that all migrants, legal or illegal, from US or Asia, simply sign declaration they recognise the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union.[^1]
Can you see anything racist or discriminatory in it? Most likely youāve never read it yourself, because being born in Europe youāve been for years socialised in the spirit of the Charter - equality, rule of law, freedom of speech, non-discrimination.
And the argument that the challenge existed for centuries is true, but only in XX century Europe switched to a delusional policy where ancient religious or tribal habits are expected to be treated as equal with all the European values we built this successful civilisation on.
Misinterpreted extreme āmulticulturalismā created an absurd situation where everyone is expected to follow the Charter by defaultā¦ except for those who donāt know of it or reject it. More absurdly this rejection should be protected by the very Charter.
Iām not talking about forcing peopleās religion or cultureā¦ except for parts dramatically incompatible with European human rights.
Things like precedence of religious or tribal laws over civil law, blood revenge, female genital mutilation - you move to EU, you must reject them or stay away.
[^1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_of_Fundamental_Rights_of_the_European_Union
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