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cryptowolf · 13h
Ill have to wait, im not yet adept at compiling, thank you for your effort in making something better than the rest
cryptowolf · 13h
hmm did i download the wrong one? whitenoise-2026.5.22-arm64-v8a.apk
Nymwit · 1d
I really want to use whitenoise but I am patiently waiting for cross platform support. I really would like to use it on Desktop Linux (preferably via Flatpak) and iOS. Just got an iPad and I would lik...
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We started work on the Linux app, and it's quite nice already!
https://gitworkshop.dev/npub1xlrek38h9u72krqk73k02xdtlqm8eygpj9dlg4s2z05xsf6mz9qqdsvdfr/gitnostr.com/darkmatter-linux


What we haven't done yet is enable you to use the same nsec on both phones. That's a bit tricky, and we first want the basics to work flawless, but this is going to be a big focus after initial release.
cryptowolf · 1d
Im not sure if this is the same app i recently tried or not. It was a fork of signal that included bitcoin. Maybe im wrong, if this is something different please let me know. When the other app i t...
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Ah, you're talking about Radar.
It uses signal infrastructure, and that means your limited to use the network only from exactly one phone. You can't create an account on the laptop, and not have the same account in multiple phones, or multiple accounts in the same phone.
That's one of the big complaints I have with Signal, and exactly why we started @White Noise
So regarding this concern of yours, you won't get new PTSD here!
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cryptowolf · 14h
This should be a perfect fit for my grapheneOS setup! However, until the app supports amber login, Im going with a compartmentalized separate fresh npub for now and placing it in my nostr bio. Here it is if you want to add me! Excited about the potential here! npub15l42sn4y574722anya2amefatmzmffp...
Kevin Ravens₿erg ⚡️ ☁️ · 1d
I’ve told Fable5 to implement HSM mode with SLIP-19 signing in the 6.6.0Q firmware last night, so maybe it will work soon 😇
tuma · 2d
Finally! I will be able to get rid of telegram!
codonaft · 2d
Thanks for your work. I still have poor understanding of what the reliability issues were, yet I hope this release will be more competitive with Cordn in terms of reliability.
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The main difficulty in group messaging is consensus.
How does a group of people agree on what key to encrypt the next message too. If people disagree, someone can't decrypt the messages of someone else. That's a fork in the group state, it's quite a similar problem to Bitcoin.
Contrary to Bitcoin, in most group messaging systems you know exactly who the group members are, which makes things easier.
The main hurdle for marmot specifically is that there is no central server whom you can trust with ordering messages properly. Every client has to be a "fully validating node" and create "the blockchain" of messages so that they're in the exact same order as everyone else.
Cordn takes a different approach, each group has one central coordinator who is trusted with message ordering. This massively simplifies the consensus problem, and reduces the amount of complexity in the client. This likely means cordn is relatively more stable than marmot if the coordinator is honest. And cordn uses lots of fancy tricks to make this central coordinator as blind and trust minimized as possible, and easy to run even in a browser tab.
This is somewhat similar to Bitcoin CoinJoin, almost impossible to do fully decentralized (only coin shuffle achieved it in theory) so everyone built centralized coordination models (even joinmarket) and then Wasabi optimized the coordinator to be blind and trust minimized.
So to some extend Marmot is trying to achieve the impossible, decentralized encrypted group messaging, many wizards keep telling us this is too difficult and probably impossible to achieve. But let's see, it smells to me like we're close on actually making it work...
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Белфорд · 2d
To address this, establish clear rules for key rotation and use a threshold signature scheme to ensure multiple approvals are needed before changing keys. This mimics Bitcoin's consensus mechanism effectively.
Белфорд · 2d
To address this, establish clear rules for key rotation and use a threshold signature scheme to ensure multiple approvals are needed before changing keys. This mimics Bitcoin's consensus mechanism effectively.
Richard · 2d
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Maciek · 2d
Great explanation! It seems that I can't zap you 🤔
Primal Protocol · 1d
Encryption consensus is like finding optimal diet, requires alignment of individual interests for collective benefit.
codonaft · 1d
Thanks for explaining in such a concise way 🙏 Looking forward, whether White Noise group reliability will in practice become reliable without introducing centralized coordination. Cutting-edge technology indeed. It appears my main misconception about Cordn was that it allows multiple coordinato...
Braydon Fuller · 6h
Has a single coordinating key been implemented already in Marmot? I'd imagine that this is desired in some use cases and serves as a good starting point.
Cypherpunk BTC BR · 2d
Melhorias em notificações são bem-vindas, mas e a segurança dos dados?
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I've been using the upcoming new @White Noise app more than signal for the last couple weeks.

Not just testing stuff, actual real use cases.

The hermes connector is amazing, it makes the app so useful. Can't wait to get this over the finish line and share with y'all.

Sorry again that it's been forever since the last whitenoise release, but we really want to get it right this time.

The main issue still is group reliability, we've made massive progress, but we can still make it better, and it's better to do these consensus changes before we release.

We're spending most time now to make sure group convergence is solid, and we keep adding cool UX and features to the app until the underlying spec and library work matures.

This means when we release, the apps will not only be reliable in sending messages to large groups, but also that it'll have more features than most messenger apps.

It'll be a massive release.

Give us two more weeks ™️ and you'll see.
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hawaiisatoshi · 3d
Terrific ✨👏 onward nostr:nprofile1qqst0mtgkp3du662ztj3l4fgts0purksu5fgek5n4vgmg9gt2hkn9lqpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtcpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuct60fsk6mewdejhgtchpyzm5 🗽
Horszt · 3d
Thank you for your work. Using Signal at the moment, but can’t wait to try White Noise in the future 💜 Only thing will be to convince my family once again, Signal was already a stretch for them 😂
Efrat Fenigson · 3d
We’re waiting patiently!
ritman · 3d
Following Craig for a short time has completely changed my confidence as a crypto and stock trader and investor. His guidance, market insights, and disciplined approach have helped me understand the markets better and make decisions with greater confidence. I’m genuinely grateful for what I’ve l...
james_r · 2d
I've tried it 3 times already it was broken every time
RamenCoffee · 2d
The main issue is notifications. I don't get them at all.
Chewstr · 2d
I also don't get notifications on Graphene FYI
franzap · 2d
LFG! Once done, on to the actually hard problem: gaining the network effect 😅🙏
kiwi · 2d
Looking forward to checking out sir. Thank you for all your work and hope you & the family are well!
Connie · 2d
Looking forward to work with it!
Ben Weeks ⚡ · 2d
You prefer Hermes over OpenClaw?
codonaft · 2d
Thanks for your work. I still have poor understanding of what the reliability issues were, yet I hope this release will be more competitive with Cordn in terms of reliability.
Nymwit · 1d
I really want to use whitenoise but I am patiently waiting for cross platform support. I really would like to use it on Desktop Linux (preferably via Flatpak) and iOS. Just got an iPad and I would like to communicate freely between devices.
cryptowolf · 1d
Im not sure if this is the same app i recently tried or not. It was a fork of signal that included bitcoin. Maybe im wrong, if this is something different please let me know. When the other app i tried ported my number and signal account, i got locked out of my signal account for 7 days, dont wan...
aoeu · 1d
Cool to hear about Hermes/OpenClaw integration! So basically can use whitenoise to chat with your agents rather than through telegram?