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Laeserin · 2w
A lot of the EU is back in home office, again, or riding the bus or e-bike. Sales of e-cars are headed up, despite relatively moderate gasoline price increases. Let's get off oil, and stay off, guys....
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I did a quick run-through of the threads on your post, and after 20 years of studying this, I recognize almost every comment... I've seen them all many times. All of them have their place and perspective that shows *a* truth. There is a bit of a Bateson double bind with these issues. Some of it is the way the responses are set up. Some of it is simply human capacity for analysis of large complex things. In other words, scale and complexity *must* be held up first, before tossing out stuff like biobutanol or the difference between a Ford flathead V8 from the 30s vs. a modern ICE. Comment-reply format like this simply can't progress for polycrisis stuff. It is a trap that makes people feel good about their stance, but it does little create a full cognitive map. Anything that comes close to a map that provides insight will be discarded quickly as too much. We demand single serving helpings (yes, Fight Club ref). Even then, the map is not the territory, sure, but tossing the whole thing to do comment-reply format? This is not better.

I was watching "In the Fires of Dead Stars" from the 2024 Dark Matter show, and recognized a bit of a cultural myth with Amanda's chosen reality. This is key. Myth doesn' t mean it can't be true. It just means that it is a cultural cognition shortcut that evades analysis (like complexity and scale). Our shared cultural cognition is the primary driver of our interactions, particularly these days. I admit that the dialog on this thread is much more sophisticated than I'm used to in the last five years or so, and the teams are more varied ( teams as defined by https://web.archive.org/web/20070418142809/http://groups.inf.ed.ac.uk/ppig/readinglist/tomasello_et_al2004.pdf ). It is one of the things I like about the Nostr crowd. BUT, it is the same rough layout, just more teams and better education.

The best resource I know of that brings somebody up to speed on these issues as far as scale is by Tom Murphy of UCSD:

https://escholarship.org/uc/item/9js5291m

Tom Murphy handles some complexity, but I'd probably start with fossil fuel feedstock flow and work backwards:

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/acs.est.7b04573




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