Ad hominem is not a good path to intelligent discussion. There's a meta argument being made in my post. You will have to sit with it a while before it makes sense though. Long time preference is a good thing. Try processing the tension between Joy's post and Vance's post - disengenuous people aboun...

He’s a self-proclaimed vegetarian. That says all you need to know.

Can someone's brain be so smooth that it actually has no friction? We could make a perfect energy flywheel battery using these kinds of brains.