I don't understand the real concern here. You're able to control your feed to keep your precious content consumption free of "normies" while more people/normies are able to be exposed to financial fre...
you're right of course as far as freedom to use goes. Doesn't mean we shouldn't have better tools to manipulate (in the proper sense of the word and not the retard sense of the word . I'm sorry.. I'm sorry.. it was just too easy this time ... ;) ) our own feeds. Unfollow/ignore do some of it, but it's constant work. We need more tools on the client side and I think Wisp is really good at this - possibly the best.
I have employed some filtering features in my own Vega client last week (can be turned off of course) and I can tell you that at least in my own testing, it's like night and day when you look at the Global feed for example. The best I can describe my own feeling that i felt when I first turned it on is that it felt like humans talking again. Don't get me wrong - it's still far from perfect but IMHO it's a step in the right direction if we are to actually make this a communication platform. In my case, ignore was just not enough to make the experience enjoyable.
So, while I am fully dedicated in my Vega development to make this user-switchable and do not gate-keep in the slightest on the relay side of things, I also feel for what @BTC_P2P is trying to say here. Because the truth also is, incentives are the problem whether we like it or not. And 'free' as in 'beer' is just too cheap for most users who actually wanna use it daily for communication. Too much incentives for spamming, bots, scams and whatever else new AI versions will bring on massive scale.
In all honesty, I am sometimes worried that we're a bit blinded and we spit in our own food for what can only be an abstract ideal while reality is turning into a overwhelming wave of bullshittery we won't be able to handle anymore.
Let me explain what I mean: When I first came to nostr the feel of nostr was zapping, good will, good cheer and of course the usual amount of 'fiat is dead' idealistic takes. The overwhelming feel was positive by default. Then spamming started as soon as specific actors realised there's no penalty for it. And from then on it went from bad to worse every half a year.
We lost a lot of people because of that. And the replacement was not of the same, admittedly subjective, quality. Now I'm not shitting on new people, what I'm trying to say is that with each human we got 3 spammers, one crypto guy, and a bunch of randomly created accounts just to spew bullshit and then disappear forever.
Practically every dev is now trying to solve this problem and I hope we can find a good enough solution because percentage wise-humans vs random bullshit/spam/bots/new-not-yet-seen-things-that-are-coming is not in our favour.
The sad truth is that when I returned to nostr after a break on social media it was a bit a of a shock - not a pleasant one. I really like a few people here, and I downright admire the numbner of creative people here, the genius devs and so on, but I am worried it's not sustainable if we don't find a solution that would work for 90% of us who are not here to propagandize and bullshit or hatemonger or spam but would just like to talk and build things.
All I can do here is try my best on my end. But I don't think it's smart to just dismiss what BTC_P2P said and throw it under the 'another gatekeeper' carpet. Because doing so, it might be to our longterm determent.
I hope I'm wrong, but I worry I'm not is the best I can end this long comment
I have employed some filtering features in my own Vega client last week (can be turned off of course) and I can tell you that at least in my own testing, it's like night and day when you look at the Global feed for example. The best I can describe my own feeling that i felt when I first turned it on is that it felt like humans talking again. Don't get me wrong - it's still far from perfect but IMHO it's a step in the right direction if we are to actually make this a communication platform. In my case, ignore was just not enough to make the experience enjoyable.
So, while I am fully dedicated in my Vega development to make this user-switchable and do not gate-keep in the slightest on the relay side of things, I also feel for what @BTC_P2P is trying to say here. Because the truth also is, incentives are the problem whether we like it or not. And 'free' as in 'beer' is just too cheap for most users who actually wanna use it daily for communication. Too much incentives for spamming, bots, scams and whatever else new AI versions will bring on massive scale.
In all honesty, I am sometimes worried that we're a bit blinded and we spit in our own food for what can only be an abstract ideal while reality is turning into a overwhelming wave of bullshittery we won't be able to handle anymore.
Let me explain what I mean: When I first came to nostr the feel of nostr was zapping, good will, good cheer and of course the usual amount of 'fiat is dead' idealistic takes. The overwhelming feel was positive by default. Then spamming started as soon as specific actors realised there's no penalty for it. And from then on it went from bad to worse every half a year.
We lost a lot of people because of that. And the replacement was not of the same, admittedly subjective, quality. Now I'm not shitting on new people, what I'm trying to say is that with each human we got 3 spammers, one crypto guy, and a bunch of randomly created accounts just to spew bullshit and then disappear forever.
Practically every dev is now trying to solve this problem and I hope we can find a good enough solution because percentage wise-humans vs random bullshit/spam/bots/new-not-yet-seen-things-that-are-coming is not in our favour.
The sad truth is that when I returned to nostr after a break on social media it was a bit a of a shock - not a pleasant one. I really like a few people here, and I downright admire the numbner of creative people here, the genius devs and so on, but I am worried it's not sustainable if we don't find a solution that would work for 90% of us who are not here to propagandize and bullshit or hatemonger or spam but would just like to talk and build things.
All I can do here is try my best on my end. But I don't think it's smart to just dismiss what BTC_P2P said and throw it under the 'another gatekeeper' carpet. Because doing so, it might be to our longterm determent.
I hope I'm wrong, but I worry I'm not is the best I can end this long comment