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If the tradeoffs are removing the core values like self custody, it is the question if "this version of Bitcoin" delivers any meaningful change for normal people (who did not buy early).

The store of value argument is not taking into account that a sudden loss of privacy, eg. KYC data leaking from a big exchange makes everyone a target immediately.

Do you want a store of value where everyone in the world knows what you have and where you live?

The other thing is fungibility. Tainted coins are already a thing, AML Bot and Chainanalysis tools are used by exchanges and merchants already.
I had a case where BTC was rejected because "it was used for gambling 5 hops ago".

It was not me - but i know who used it for that. It was completely legal gambling. But still i could not use the BTC for what i wanted.

The non-fungibility will lead to the P2P situation that we will check each others BTC with tools like AML Bot to make sure we do not get tainted coins which are worth less or in the worst case have law enforcement blaming us for something the previous owner of the BTC did.

I do not see how this will end well. There is also a talk from Adam Back about that - but somehow this is being ignored even if it is pretty obvious.

How do you see those two points?
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Jeff Booth · 50w
Human action is what is centralizing. Most people pricing bitcoin from a piece of paper - to get rich. That will centralize further because it is how people see the world. (Trust institutions, think prices naturally go up over time). To prevent that outcome requires enough people who contribute the...
Thomas Paine · 50w
You're making valid points and I have no clue how ppl can responsibly recommend kyc'ed services. It's putting people on a raid list. Referring to tainted utxos, I think they'll become less of an issue when the need for fiat offramps is gone. This indicates that you'll most likely never enjoy the re...
mobiusmoe · 50w
On the kyc issue, it is true kyc is part of a system of control and an abomination and its constant leaking is an ever present and growing threat to everyone everywhere. Leaving aside it is possible to acquire non-kyc bitcoin, important to recognise this issue applies even more so to all other stor...
Chuck Langstrumpf · 50w
As Jeff was not able to answer or did not understand my questions at all, i asked Deepseek to tell me what counter arguments it can find: Counterargument: Bitcoin advocates argue that privacy tools (e.g., CoinJoin, Wasabi Wallet, Lightning Network) can mitigate KYC risks by decoupling identities fr...