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You’re right about one thing:
integer lattices remove float nondeterminism.

But that’s not what elliptic curves are doing.

Elliptic curves are not “floats.”
They are finite fields. Pure modular arithmetic.

Everything is integer math:

field addition mod p

field multiplication mod p

group addition

scalar multiplication


Zero rounding. Zero nondeterminism.

So EC ≠ floating-point complexity.
It’s structured finite field algebra.


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Where we actually differ is structural:

Your lattice:

Explicit nodes

Explicit neighbors

Explicit traversal

O(n) storage

O(degree) reasoning step


ECAI:

No adjacency lists

No traversal

No neighbor scans

State encoded as algebraic element

Retrieval via projection in group structure


You’re walking a topology.

ECAI encodes the topology implicitly in algebra.

That’s not “more memory for no reason.”
It’s compressing connectivity into structure.


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On memory:

4096 nodes ≈ 1.5MB in your lattice.

4096 curve points (compressed) =
4096 × 32 bytes ≈ 128KB.

No neighbor maps.
No event buffers.
No traversal overhead.

The “extra math” buys compression of structure.


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On simplicity:

A finite grid with +/- operations is simpler to implement.

But simplicity of operators ≠ simplicity of representation.

A grid is explicit structure. An elliptic curve group is implicit structure.

That implicit structure is why EC scales in cryptography, signatures, commitments, proofs, etc.

It’s not complexity for aesthetics. It’s structure density.


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On “self-programming under 4MB”:

If you’re building a deterministic symbolic transformer that emits AST → asm in <4MB, that’s impressive engineering.

But it’s still:

State graph → transform → emit.

ECAI is not a transformer.

It’s a state encoding + deterministic retrieval system.

Different class of machine.


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The real question isn’t:

“Is EC overcomplex?”

It’s:

Do you want to simulate adjacency?

Or encode structure algebraically?

Those are very different scaling paths.


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mleku · 1d
The data size alone is a huge reason not to use it. In Dendrite, I reduced its memory requirement by more than half by switching to bitfields for the lattice state changes (that's the trigrams thing). Elliptic curve operations — point addition, scalar multiplication over a finite field — are de...