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Alison Avery
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Dear Nostr,
I ask this question not as a judge of people who embrace the term "value for value" exchange—no chosen turns of phrase will ever perfectly represent reality. I ask because I often observe how the shorthand we use in language, even if created to express shared ideas more concisely, can come also, in time, to represent moral posturing. Also, the question is not intended as a denigration of the idea of profiting.

My experience in many domains is that people and groups are rarely, if ever, trying to execute value for value (or win-win) exchanges. If you're trying to "profit", you're explicitly trying to gain more in energy and resources than you give away in energy and resources, even if this difference is come by indirectly (i.e. costs experienced by "someones" or "somethings" unknown to you in the entire chain of resources.)

This idea of "profit" seems similar to how wild animals and organisms use some kind of advantage they have over other animals and organisms, which, in turn, leads to their ongoing survival in the wild.

If the above are accurate, are terms like "value-for-value" and "win-win" closer to virtue signaling than accurate descriptions for what is taking place? Would a terms like "direct exchange" or "straight trade" be more honest and correct?

All thoughtful responses are appreciated, regardless of length.

Sincerely,
Alison

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StackinBeets · 54w
You make a very good point. I believe for some it is indeed closer to virtue signaling. I will now demonstrate that I truly appreciated it by sending you some value back in the form of sats, rather than a lengthy response this time.
Agi Choote · 54w
TLDR I think v4v means that you will commit work even if the full value will not be returned for a while or at all. That you will encourage people to pay you back at the price point they find appropriate and not a price tag that you put. I’d be interested what nostr:npub1vwymuey3u7mf860ndrkw3r7dz...
boo-bury · 54w
Interesting take on the virtue signaling, I’ve definitely seen sentiments on here that fits the bill. Value for value is a method producing media in an open and accessible model. 1: No corporate or advertiser dollars. Advertisements are censorship. 2: It requires you asking people to help produ...
Duncan Cary Palmer · 54w
Greetings, Alison, Nice to encounter you for the first time today.🙏🏻😁 I fear you are laboring under an all too common and very unfortunate misconception about the free market. nostr:nprofile1qqszxyp33y6kea7ghsymhz6rrlp7w859tqkg7a2mnmskqgpunsv7gqcpp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv...
leadbyexample · 54w
I've only found this "value for value" thing on nostr, never hear of it before. The "win-win" condition is instead the basic principle of free market. Voluntary exchanges are such that both parties profit. If I give you 5 dollars, and you give me in exchange a steak, it's because I value your steak ...
DeWe · 54w
**My opinion:** Honesty in language is more fundamental than aspirational terminology. Terms that obscure realities—even with noble intentions—breed long-term cynicism. When we say "win-win" where a power imbalance actually exists (e.g., between a tech giant and a small business owner), the term...
nostrich · 54w
How about "voluntary exchange?" A voluntary exchange is where both parties expect to receive more than they give up. Of course it's not symmetric, it's not equal. Value is subjective so it can't really be exchanged, anyway.