Damus
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I feel like perhaps we’re being quick to try and decentralise everything and store all config, data or state in published Nostr events by default 😟

The cross app support Nostr enables is awesome - but it comes with an insane privacy cost. Worse than todays social networks. Are we building something worse?

A public following list is fine. But I want a private one too. I want private lists. I want private block lists or mutes. I want private bookmarks. I want private connected relays. And so on.

The current client app approach is basically ‘give the government a direct event feed for everything you do or have, in a nice standardise format for them to process’.

We really need to rethink the public first mindset in Nostr clients. Most data can be synced using iCloud or something that’s not public - and made public by choice by the user as needed. You can even store the data as Nostr events locally without publishing if you like that format.

Let’s not build a privacy nightmare..
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Lurking Cat · 158w
Let's see... Private mute: snort.social already implemented this along with public block list Private bookmark: not yet but almost, CMIIW, Nostros implement public bookmark in latest release Private relay: if you refer to only whitelisted can read and write (not like current paid relay who allow ...
Lurking Cat · 158w
Food for thought ... #[0]
⚡️🌱🌙 · 158w
Censorship resistance and secrecy are almost opposites. It’s very difficult to achieve both. But we can separate thing out a little here. Content (notes) is what we want to be censorship resistant, they are. If you follow a pubkey, you can get their notes from multiple sources. Pubkeys are where...
brianco · 158w
This is important. There should be a continuum that includes private relays and activity.
solobalbo · 158w
I'm sure privacy solutions will be implemented with time, but being uncensorable first was a must.
daniele · 158w
Yes a protocol direction in this way is needed. And the data should be non only encrypted but also detached from the profile. For example we can deterministically derive a new private key from the main one and use it to encrypt the lists. Poor man temp solution: attach the encrypted blob as a metad...
AAA · 158w
There are dozen services can do things you want, nothing but Nostr can do information communication very well. Nostr, IMO it is like HTTP/web to the early Internet.
IC · 158w
I hope it helps you https://forum.dfinity.org/t/make-nostr-relay-have-the-functionality-of-smart-contract-and-more-win-win-cooperation-and-more/18385 https://forum.dfinity.org/t/threshold-key-derivation-privacy-on-the-ic/16560
umu · 158w
people haven't learned from the usenet and people will continue to repeat the mistakes made in ye olden days that we should've learned from. the cycle continues until we make an effort to stop it.
royaoid · 158w
keets approach is better for privacy, nostr is more tilted for public but hopefully they get combined
royaoid · 158w
sync using icloud? for privacy? are you fucking larping?
nostrich · 158w
💯 One reason I like the Gossip client is it supports local follow lists. Better privacy + no risk of having other clients overwrite it, which looks like a common issue.