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In December 2014, I was in NYC with my wife for the Blockchain(dot)info Christmas party.

We played laser tag, had a great staff BBQ dinner, and went back to our Airbnb to get some sleep.

I woke up to a nightmare.

The creator of the site pushed an update to the wallet, which resulted in an entropy bug. Any user who created a wallet during a specific timeframe was generating insecure addresses. This made the funds very easy to steal.

~1000 BTC were stolen, but some were returned. How?!

White hat legend, Johoe, is how.

He posted about it on BitcoinTalk: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581411.0

He would go on to "steal" funds before the hacker(s) could take all of them, and he returned them to Blockchain. We obviously paid him a bounty.

We were able to make up the difference and pay everyone back who was affected by this. Who ended up having to figure all that out?

Me.

I had to go through each individual case, use a complicated method to make sure I was refunding funds to the actual person who lost them, and then send the funds.

Yes, I was given hundreds of Bitcoin and spent the next few weeks distributing them to the people impacted by this entropy issue.

I still have nightmares. The burden of responsibility weighed heavily on me at the time. I was so stressed about screwing something up, triple and quadruple checking everything before moving on to the next step.

This Coldcard situation is many magnitudes worse.

I feel for those immediately impacted by this - the ones who lost their funds.

The hardest part of working customer service at an early bitcoin hot wallet was explaining how Bitcoin transactions couldn't be reversed, and any lost funds were gone forever.

I also feel for everyone at Coinkite.

It's easy to hate them right now, but those guys are true Bitcoiners. A lot of them didn't need to keep working, and may very well vanish from the space after this. It sucks.

Why risk your reputation and everything you've built if one little mistake in 5 year old code can ruin you?

Why keep building when you can retire and enjoy life on a beach somewhere?

I suspect many are thinking this very thought right now.

Can't say I blame them.
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Chris Porter · 6d
I still have hope there may be some way to recover the funds, but it is a small hope. But I still have my family, my health, and still thankful for knowing about Bitcoin. Just time to start over, and one day become a whole coiner again.
Dan · 6d
There’s like 7 employees there right
Based Truth · 6d
Blockchain.info, a Roger Ver pet project, compromised from the start.
Matt - Not Your Entropy, Not Your Coins · 6d
Yeah... But they've also siloed themselves by pretty much telling anyone with a clue to go fuck themselves any time anyone dares to point out their flaws. And they've spent a lot more time finding the splinters in other people's eyes than looking for planks in their own, all to avoid competition (wh...
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Great anecdote, thanks for sharing. I had only one such incident, a mini-incident, when working on Joinmarket. We originally used a master secret generated from a user passphrase (before shifting to the more sane model of bip39 compatibility), and the code had a bug where a null password was actual...
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sedited · 6d
Johoe ❤️
FiddleHodlHomestead · 6d
Thank you for this Assuming the mistake was an innocent one, my heart actually goes out the Coinkite team (as well as to the victims, obviously - hopefully that goes without saying). I would be ... I can't even imagine. What a nightmare. I have definitely had times when I've been so excited abo...
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47 · 5d
appreciate you sharing the story and thoughts.
Aragorn 🗡️ · 5d
The 2014 parallel is worth sitting with. What made Johoe's intervention possible — that the company had reserves to make people whole — is exactly what's missing here. Hardware wallet custody and custodial custody have opposite risk profiles, but the catastrophic failure modes end up in similar ...
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BTCFalk · 5d
Agree on everything but the last sentence... They fucked up, HARD (especially if the rumors that they were informed years ago turns out to be true) I feel for them, but that doesn't mean it isn't theyr fault
hawaiisatoshi · 5d
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FloorHodl · 5d
NVK, and his entire staff are not the bad guys. They always told people to use the dice to generate more entropy. In hindsight, the only thing I would offer in terms of "constructive" criticism is they should not have allowed the option to let the device create seeds
Wright · 4d
Why did they change the code in the first place though if they had enough bitcoin to vanish? They did the same with the blockclock stuff too..seems as if they wanted every sat they could get for what!