Damus
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Samson Mow
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Keep calm and HODL #Bitcoin.

Everyone seems to be overreacting to the Samourai arrests, the FBI PSA, and Phoenix leaving the US. Here's my attempt to break it down.

Samourai

You have to unpack all of the different elements. Could this be a state attack on self-custody and privacy? Maybe. Probably not.

There are a few components here that need to be evaluated on their own.

1⃣ Samourai was a self-custodial wallet
2⃣ Samourai was a mixer
3⃣ Samourai was providing normal people with privacy
4⃣ Samourai were knowingly marketing the service to criminals and flaunting that fact

Reading the charges, it seems like #4 is pretty cut and dry for this case. Their getting arrested for #4, doesn't automatically mean #1, #2, #3 are under siege as well. If Samourai was a taco stand laundering money and bragging about it, I'm sure they would be taken down too.

They may be accused of running a money transmitter now, but that may or may not stick. We'll find out in the trial.

All that said, we should always be vigilant to attempts to erode privacy and the ability to self-custody. It just does not seem that this fight is *that* fight.

FBI PSA

Seems pretty normal that the FBI would advise people to use compliant services, and the entire announcement seems to revolve around potential disruptions due to Samourai being taken down, and potentially others in the future. Given they took action, they have to post some bulletin about it.

Remember that when people lose funds or have funds stolen from them, they do go to the FBI for help. From their point of view, the best thing for people to do is use compliant services where they can potentially help.

The announcement concludes saying that services that purposely break the law will be investigated - so again we go back to #4 above. This is nothing new, and self-custody is not being criminalized.

Phoenix Leaving

As @jack said, it's feels completely unnecessary. Phoenix obviously is not a MSB and they are not doing anything illegal. In my view, their exit from the US app stores is a complete overreaction.

Keep Calm

Could "they" come after wallets, developers, mixers, nodes, LSPs, sidechains, eCash, VPNs, encryption, etc? It's totally possible. But if you're not breaking the law, you have nothing to worry about.

To my knowledge, there is still rule of law in the US, property rights are still protected, and privacy is enshrined in the Bill of Rights (@gladstein).

It would be very difficult to change the law or stretch it to incriminate these things because it's all just information and software, which is speech. Some will try. But as they are trying, #Bitcoin is becoming more and more mainstream and integral to the world's financial system.

#Bitcoin is freedom technology and it will continue on.

Go outside this weekend and think about why you're here.
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nostrich · 95w
"if you're not breaking the law you have nothing to worry about" lololol
Atif · 95w
With the amount of shit the govt let's slide involving corrupt financial institutions and banks I'm not buying that this is isolated. This seems very coordinated and trusting that this won't happen again on a bigger scale by these agencies is a fool's errand
Биткойн.БГ · 94w
Could you, please elaborate. How were Samourai knowingly marketing the service to criminals and flaunting that fact?
EZ · 94w
"marketing to criminals" sounds like a meaningless misnomer
nobody · 94w
In this system everyone always breaks the law. Atlas Shrugged said is brilliantly.
Bala · 94w
samourai is not a mixer.
Mel · 94w
Logical, thank you.
Greeny · 94w
There was 69 comments so I had to fuck it up sry
Luke · 94w
Wasabi next: https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/zksnacks-now-blocking-u-s-residents-and-citizens/ My take: Also completely unnecessary, but since TOR use is not optional inside Wasabi wallet, I don't see how this changes anything during actual usage. This announcement was likely just for assuring the f...
btc21million · 94w
You're down-playing this too much by using their talking points which is wrong: "But if you're not breaking the law, you have nothing to worry about." Besides, "rule of law in the US" is laughable.
DarthCoin ₿⚡️ · 94w
> To my knowledge, there is still rule of law in the US, property rights are still protected, and privacy is enshrined in the Bill of Rights Wrong. any court will say "you can wipe your ass with the Bill of Rights, in this court is the rule of Maritime law". If you identify as a citizen you give a...
Anchorite · 94w
I was with you until "But if you're not breaking the law, you have nothing to worry about." Really? You're going to use that stasi line?
Cyber Seagull · 94w
nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z not sure if this is the right way to bug report, an npub between brackets in this post did not parse.
The ₿itcoin Artist · 94w
If everyone just 'chills out', this Bitcoin thing is not gonna work out. someone needs to build the tools we need as this gets this gets worse. that's the value of the outrage, it motivates and encourages those who will make the change
kevskewl · 94w
Thanks helpful, and it seems my sap failed to go thru. Will try again later as advised. It also seems like Samourai should have just advised the criminals to stick with the $100 dollar bill. Truly appreciated breakdown but I'd really appreciate hearing your take on supply and demand issues. Partic...
Francisco Arturo · 94w
"If you're not breaking the law you have nothing to worry about" my brother in Christ have you not been paying attention to how the world is shaping up?
@IsabelSydow Queen of Shrimps (but u can call me Dan.) · 94w
I'm not sure if everyone is "overreacting." Personally, it is scary to witness. Just because those arrested are not us or our loved ones, doesn't mean that there isn't an overreach being committed which leads to more and more overreaches. We've lost amendments already. I mean, fur realz... I can'...
@IsabelSydow Queen of Shrimps (but u can call me Dan.) · 94w
Meanwhile, this is what seems to be happening. https://void.cat/d/JSHBmfD2bxuzFWu6NpXrmr.webp
Christian · 94w
Oh vaya de lo que me estoy enterando. 😯
CappyNate🍁 · 94w
lol A) This could be incredibly reckless advice. The charts are going to tell us in 3-6wks. B) If you're holding Bitcoin, only as long as it's legal, you might wanna rethink your life. What are you going to do, sell it when they ban it? FMR.
ThatGuy · 94w
You seem to indicate that the system of laws/justice system in the USA as indicated by your comment, "We'll find out in the trial" is legitimate and uncorruptible (Perhaps Phoenix doesn't share your view, hence, exit) . Either you are trying to be cute or you haven't been keeping up with the state ...
nostrich · 94w
In it's press release the U.S. Attorney's Office, Southern District of New York, doesn't say anything about self custody wallet, mixer, privacy, or marketing to criminals. Samourai co-founders were charged "with conspiracy to commit money laundering and conspiracy to operate an unlicensed money tra...
Mr. Sat Stacker · 94w
Thanks.
Apatight⚡️ · 94w
The way through this is 500 more Samourai by next month.
jack mallers · 94w
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Time Chain · 94w
Overreaction is right. Samurai not only broke the law, but treated bitcoin as a whore not a hoard. Glad to see the leeches leave the space.
Duncan Cary Palmer · 94w
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gravity · 92w
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