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mordaunt · 3w
To that, you would say that Evil was done unto them. You're conflating idealism and pragmatism. Whether or not a peaceful civilization could be destroyed doesn't change that it was a moral one. I...
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I definitely agree that a peaceful civilization would be better. It's just a question if that isn't even a contradiction in terms. Can you even have a peaceful civilization?
The Amish are a culture a people but I don't know if you could call it a civilization. Same with the other groups you mentioned afaik.

"Civilization is a complex, large-scale society defined by advanced urban development, social stratification, specialized labor, and symbolic communication systems like writing."

Are there any pacifist groups that have ever actually met the definition of a civilization? And if you separate pragmatism from idealism then does that mean a pacifist could be violent?
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mordaunt · 3w
You can find all of those properties in each of the groups I mentioned. Orania has farmers, schools, builders, security, management. They generate all of their power from a solar farm. That's complex specialisation by any reasonable definition. As for the last question: anyone can do what they l...
mordaunt · 3w
The ideal is "peaceful interactions are preferable". How we achieve and sustain the ideal is our challenge as a species, and as individuals. We don't actually need examples of civilizations that encode peaceful ethics to prove the ideal, because that is to wait for it to have already been achiev...