see, this proves my point, at no point did i deny they did. it's obvious they did. and i also know that the history of the war goes way back before the 2014 maidan coup. it's still the same old cold war bobbleheads behind a lot of it. it's still brzinski's doctrine being played out in a lot of areas, the grand chessboard is a good primer on the geopolitics around the whole thing and mentions ukraine as a pivotal territory in the board. and the people who have the money and pay the people to do the things are well known for propping them up and then pulling them down once they stop running the agenda they were placed for.

and to not forget, who influences what is policy and doctrine in the pentagon or the kremlin is not the ones you see in the media it's mostly in entirely different places and many of them pay to not appear anywhere.