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In fiction, the point of view from how we see the story can often color how we perceive the ethics of characters. And of course, that lesson can apply in real life as well.

If you ask most people if Neo and Trinity in the Matrix are heroes or anti-heroes, for example, they’ll probably say heroes. There is nothing particularly dark or edgy about them other than kind of a general “cool” factor. They’re pretty chill and well-meaning people in their downtime, we care about their relationship, they help their friends, they have rather pure motivations, etc.

But in the Matrix, agents can teleport themselves into any unplugged person. Which means that when Neo or Trinity attack a place, they pretty much have to slaughter everyone. Leaving survivors means that agents can teleport in. Innocent guards and stuff just get wiped out by the dozens. The stakes of humanity being enslaved by the machines are so high, that the characters don’t even really debate the ethics of this; they just accept it.

Like literally the opening scene is Trinity killing police, and the audience is like “wow cool” instead of “so, is that the antagonist?” The famous lobby scene consists of Neo and Trinity wiping out tons of guards that are just doing their job of guarding a skyscraper. In the sequel, Trinity sends a motorcycle bomb into a power station, and then murders the remaining guards as they attack her. We all basically like Trinity, and yet there are platoons of widows and orphans out there from all the guards she killed. There aren’t really even any scenes of her reflecting on that, like finding it emotionally difficult in any way to do those things or feeling in any way haunted by it.

If the Matrix story was shown from like, a detective’s point of view, these characters are terrorists and would either seem like outright villains (if you don’t know their motivation) or anti-heroes if you do (ends justify the means; mass-murder is okay and not even worth feeling bad about if it saves billions).

So, how the movie *frames* things for us makes a big difference. We closely follow Neo and Trinity so much that we’re like, “of course they’re the heroes”. The same thing happens in real life with political commentators and things like that; a cultural narrative can frame something as wholly good or wholly bad when often it’s actually kind of complex.

Therefore, it’s a useful practice whether in analyzing fiction or real life, to always ask how you could invert the framing for something.
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QW · 72w
It’s all fun and games until the agents port into you. 😅
DoShitters · 72w
If we’re remembering correctly (it’s been a while since last seeing The Matrix), the narrative also manages to dehumanize the people they’re killing making it seem like a computer simulation with no “real impact”, which makes it easier for the audience (and Neo and Trinity) to not view tho...
Hamlin · 72w
The guards and their family's were human batteries in the framework of the matrix though. They were sternly liberated.
Highsselhoff · 72w
Well put as always. Makes me think of The Sopranos. They did a great job of getting you emotionally invested in this fun group of mob friends, only to slowly reveal through the seasons how awful and rotten they actually were. Leaving you to realise: what were you thinking, they’re friggin’ mob...
Bitty Cent · 72w
Interesting thought experiment on framing: “the left” is big on Hollywood movies. Hollywood movies often portray police as the bad guys. Does this spill into real life? A look at the past decade would say yes
Guy Swann · 72w
I haven’t seen Sicario, but I would suggest that the common thread needs to be the character motivation, or the motivation of both needs to be established early unless the entire intent is to shock and punish the audience’s idea of a “happy ending” in war (or whatever the theme is). And impo...
Pleb34 · 72w
That is an amazing perspective I never thought of, even after watching that movie perhaps a dozen times.
Reed · 72w
Great point. I always thought they were kind of tapping into the "it's all just a video game" kind of vibe, but you are so right because even in the matrix universe this is just an abstraction because if you die in the matrix you die IRL. There is definitely also a hot war kind of mentality as wel...
Theory of Everything · 72w
But I think both are relevant. In the real life Western banking vs BRICS scenario, The western banks, IE Trump, Biden, Netanyahu, Are keeping the western empire mostly intact through posturing and social distraction, While the BRICS countries are catching up many nations that missed out on the progr...
nostrich · 72w
Reminds me about all those janitors, plumbers, electricians or others servicemen that died on Death Star. Luke Skywalker did not care about collateral damage. 🫡
Radokama Grandmaster Splat · 72w
GM! The perception of an ethic is subjective unless you’re on the receiving end. 😉
LL62 · 72w
GM Lyn 🤠🤙
Zorbar · 72w
Gm
moonmechanic · 72w
That’s not quite like you describe it in the Matrix. Both Neo and Trinity know the truth of all those lives in pods. The “widows with kids” thing is not really as we understand it today (unless we’ve not swallowed the red pill yet?). There is still the pain of people being flushed down the ...
Vveerrgg · 72w
Love it !!! We’re finally at the observers mindset of classical stories … When we are outside a system of thinking & able to see it from all sides … we’re on the path to transcending it. This is a great place to be … if we as a collective are ready to do that with the Matrix … that m...
vnprc · 72w
We were watching the Star Wars movies with my daughter. It was her first time seeing them. We started with episodes 4 and 5 I think before 1, 2, 3. She had never encountered an anti-hero before. I was dropping subtle hints the whole time but she believed Anakin was fundamentally good right up until...
Sòbhran · 72w
that's it. it's "we vs them" in each single day you spend after kyc birth, wanting to live there. only personal POVs you should write your content via longform client as articles, so we can save some as #curations, and not loose them in the #Nostr bookmarks dispora
Petr · 72w
GM! ☕ ☀️ 🫂
Tribe of Tomorrow · 72w
This is exactly why the fight for control of the narrative is so strong.
Jimbo Galtomoto · 72w
This was the genius behind Game Of Thrones if you ask me, how it played with the reader’s perception of morality and which characters you thought were the goodies or the baddies. And ruthlessly killing them as well as the NPCs 🤣
Pocket · 72w
I agree and appreciate your analogy and perspective Lyn.
Dragan · 72w
Read an article on IDF using AI tech called “lavender” and it is described as “used for more indiscriminate killing.” Then same tech is covered by Fox but described as “helps reduce civilian casualties” https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/ https://www.foxnews.com/worl...
Hodlrtchico · 72w
Good morning 🌞
Sandor Clegane · 72w
Why do people think I suggest wars should be fought in the currently taboo methods of actually targeting the actual instigators regardless of mil / civ labels, currently taboo because they long ago removed themselves from the fray & propagandized against it, for very obvious reasons... However if y...