that's awful, but realistically email is the root problem. It's completely captured. Proton isn't helping, but there also may be limits to how much they can do. Not giving Proton a free pass either. N...
half agreed there. there are a few "best of the worst", and Proton is in that pack (so long as it's not some giant honeypot 😆).
In the bigger picture - and to take this a direction I realize you didn't invite - EMAIL is an open protocol! if I run my own email server and you run your own email server and we decide to send email-shaped messages to each other, we'll be a-okay! ...but if we try to interop with "email" providers (contra non-scarequotes EMAIL) that either aren't truly speaking email or are laying piles of "spam, protection and legal compliance" layers of bullshit on top of it, that's where we'll have problems.
It's exactly like nostr or any other protocol in that respect. If nostr users slowly march into defacto-centralized relays and overly "helpful" clients (looking at you, Primal), it'll be in the same state: open protocol at the "physics" level, but 99% of the software you encounter in the wild is captured at the "biology" level.
The lesson for me is always: Exit and be satisfied with a smaller crowd. Perhaps I have to only deal with people who can receive my self-hosted emails. Perhaps I have to only deal with people who know what nostr really is. Ditto Bitcoin.
Most likely, this doesn't end up being an inconvenience or a capitulation - the smaller crowd, true to principles IS the feature. "Global" is the bug.
In the bigger picture - and to take this a direction I realize you didn't invite - EMAIL is an open protocol! if I run my own email server and you run your own email server and we decide to send email-shaped messages to each other, we'll be a-okay! ...but if we try to interop with "email" providers (contra non-scarequotes EMAIL) that either aren't truly speaking email or are laying piles of "spam, protection and legal compliance" layers of bullshit on top of it, that's where we'll have problems.
It's exactly like nostr or any other protocol in that respect. If nostr users slowly march into defacto-centralized relays and overly "helpful" clients (looking at you, Primal), it'll be in the same state: open protocol at the "physics" level, but 99% of the software you encounter in the wild is captured at the "biology" level.
The lesson for me is always: Exit and be satisfied with a smaller crowd. Perhaps I have to only deal with people who can receive my self-hosted emails. Perhaps I have to only deal with people who know what nostr really is. Ditto Bitcoin.
Most likely, this doesn't end up being an inconvenience or a capitulation - the smaller crowd, true to principles IS the feature. "Global" is the bug.
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