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Recent Notes

Ben Justman🍷 · 1d
Black raspberries are so fkn good
ButtercupRoberts · 2d
I understand your view, and agree to a point. I still think the way technology is built is not neutral. How it’s funded. Its incentives. How it’s coded. Will have to think harder on this… it f...
vinney...axkl profile picture
i believe the dissonance is your priors attempting to loosen themselves

lol sorry that's sort of a joke ❤️

To say a bit more: I'm basically working off the moral framework that as long as something is voluntarily consented to, then it's not a moral infraction / harm. Not everybody agrees with that and it's sort of an extreme position.
But from that position, almost everything is neutral in its own character and becomes harmful or positive based on the context in which it's employed (consent-breaking or not).

I can dream up a scenario in which I agree with you. For instance, you build a super competent robot that interacts with a target person and always does the opposite of what they request, from simple conversational belligerence to extreme stuff like hearing "please don't hurt me", "please don't kill me" and performing the opposite.
...Well, actually now that I'm thinking about it, even that one doesn't fit. You could request of the robot, "Please don't cure cancer for free for everyone". that's a puzzling one - is the fact that it's violating the wishes of one person a "bad thing"? or is extending the life of many others a "good thing"?

What if you built a robot that killed all the "bad guys"? Well, it depends who's building it and what their idea of a "bad guy" is, doesn't it?

I guess I think that to believe certain technologies can be non-neutral or at best non-confusing - that is, straightforwardly good or straightforwardly bad - you must probably first believe that there are objective goods and objective bads, rather than all moral judgements being subjective. I believe all moral judgments are subjective.
The speaker in the video sort of tipped her hand by using the term god-given. She might believe in a god which is probably where she's getting something like an objective moral framework. So naturally she can judge outcomes or technologies as obviously good or obviously bad. I can't do the same.
So I'm left with the condition that only the parties directly involved in an act determine the moral character of the situation, which means the inputs to that situation are sort of undefined with regard to those parties. The technology doesn't know ahead of time what the moral frameworks of those parties may be. and an outside observer (like the lady in the video) doesn't have any ground (from the point of view of those parties involved) to make moral judgements on behalf of them if they didn't explicitly request such a judgement from her. i didn't make such a request of her, so her judgement is meaningless to me :)
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ButtercupRoberts · 1d
I think of it more in the framework of many ai companies building it on the track to try to win a race for superintelligence (with all the dangers that entails) and getting themselves in the political arena trying to cater the #ai to geopolitical needs and harvesting data in mass surveillance batche...
Dr. Hax · 2d
Oh, that browser is going through Tor. That's probably the difference. Probably not related to the browser at all.
ButtercupRoberts · 7w
Carissa Veliz is a #privacy Rock Star 🔥 https://video.nostr.build/7207f22d94eaa964fbb51cb52bb4d7b6621107e43b28e0a3f654a60d8e97b0bb.mp4
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she's not engaging with the term "neutral" in the same way as the speaker before her. yes, a gun is designed to threaten or kill - but the concept of killing is value-free - neutral. the context of the use is where the value or moral component lies.
One person has a gun, the other is unarmed.
1. The unarmed person begs to be shot, to be put out of their misery, because they're currently burning to death slowly.
2. The unarmed person is the gunman's hostage and begs to be released and not shot.

Same people, same gun, same act of pulling the trigger. but in the first, it is a kindness; granting someone's wish. in the second, it is harmful.
that's what is meant by "technology is neutral". even something designed to destroy, or to collect data, can be used in victimless ways.

If I want a private AI to collect data on myself in order to perform better for me, if it doesn't "spy on me" and collect data, it's doing me a disservice.
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ButtercupRoberts · 2d
I understand your view, and agree to a point. I still think the way technology is built is not neutral. How it’s funded. Its incentives. How it’s coded. Will have to think harder on this… it feels like it wants to be both neutral and non-neutral, but can it be both?
Based Truth · 3d
You're surprised by browser uniformity? That's what happens when Google and Microsoft control 90% of the market.
Dr. Hax · 2d
Ironfox (Firefox on Android).
ChipTuner · 5d
Hes been saying it for a while but curious if he finally pulled the plug.
vinney...axkl · 5d
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The Beave · 5d
That I can get behind.
Filou · 5d
💪 nostr:nevent1qqsz7v2csy4h2s9dd38pshcekk4d9vcqt5c2epcwu4twgpr7hx892asd3t6gd
Filou · 5d
I actually did the whole thing ‘by hand’ with a damn push mower for the first three years because we were too poor to get a lawn tractor 😅 scythe would have actually been easier imo.
Spartan Poet - DARKLEAF · 5d
There is nowhere close where I’m going to get the curated titles you have. Hope you are back soon
Dr. Hax · 4d
Thanks for the additional info. I don't get that message anywhere when I go to the site. It only tells me that I need a password to enter. https://npub16v82nr4xt62nlydtj0mtxr49r6enc5r0sl2f7cq2zwdw7q92j5gs8meqha.blossom.band/b4edbebc7df91c02af9d6f8467f22e571b0a721f2cfa0618feaa261bce3521c9.jpg