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I spoke at a big bitcoin-adjacent company this week and one of the best questions was from someone who asked what the downsides of bitcoin adoption might be.

I always do appreciate these steelman questions, the skeptical questions, the ones where we challenge ourselves. Only when we can answer those types of questions do we understand the concept that we are promoting.

So the classic example is that in modern economic literature, "deflation is bad". This, however, is only the case in a highly indebted system. Normally, deflation is good. Money appreciates, technology improves, and goods and services get cheaper over time as they should. Price of Tomorrow covers this well. My book touches on this too, etc. The "deflation is bad" meme is still alive in modern economic discourse and thus is worth countering, but I think in the bitcoin spectrum of communities, people get that deflation is fine and good.

My answer to the question was in two parts.

The first part was technological determinism. In other words, if we were to re-run humanity multiple times, there are certain rare accidents that might not replicate, and other commonalities that probably would. Much like steam engines, internal combustion engines, electricity, and nuclear power, I think a decentralized network of money is something we would eventually come across. In our case, Bitcoin came into existence as soon as the bandwidth and encryption tech allowed it to. In other universes or simulations it might look a bit different (e.g. might not be 21 million or ten minute block times exactly), but I think decentralized real-time settlement would become apparent as readily as electricity does, for any civilization that reaches this point. So ethics aside, it just is what it is. It exists, and thus we must deal with it.

The second part was that in my view, transparency and individual empowerment is rarely a bad thing. Half of the world is autocratic. And half of the world (not quite the same half) deals with massive structural inflation. A decentralized spreadsheet that allows individuals to store and send value can't possibly be a bad thing, unless humanity itself is totally corrupted. I then went into more detail with examples about historical war financing, and all sorts of tangible stuff. In other words, a whole chapter full of stuff. I've addressed this in some articles to.

In your view, if you had to steelman the argument as best as you could, what are the scenarios where bitcoin is *BAD* for humanity rather than good for it, on net?
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nobody · 161w
The risk isn’t so much with Bitcoin but our Psychology around it. Humans like to hoard. Bitcoin goes up forever… Will we become to risk averse? The haves and have nots? Feudalism again? Is there such a thing as too much time preference? Idk.
aidan · 161w
In the short- to medium-term, there’s going to be a mismatch between authoritarian governments (operating as gangs, really) that steal from their people to fund illegitimate wars and those that don’t (because they cannot) Who wins the race between two sides where one is funded by war bonds and ...
Edouard Nèvres · 161w
Something i always wonder is “does cheap money, making “risk-taking” odds much more favorable than they would be in a sound-money world, helped innovation. It obviously helped scammers, con-artists etc, it is obv completely unfair as a system, but does it as a side effect incentives people to ...
Frost Dragon · 161w
Bitcoin “could be bad” in the sense that a large percentage of the population, if not most, won’t understand how to securely hold their keys because of how foreign the concept is, and will either lose or get scammed out of their money. As simple as “don’t ever give away your private key”...
Frost Dragon · 161w
A black swan event could also lead to some pretty terrifying social unrest. That’s probably the scariest thing to me.
Julian Figueroa · 161w
I don't like the idea of physical cash disappearing. I understand the future is digital payments - but a Bitcoin future means you will need to have a powered device + internet to make payments when you travel. Even 50-100 years from now, there will still be many places on Earth with bad internet cov...
Frost Dragon · 161w
Then there’s the concern that bitcoin doesn’t level the socioeconomic playing field, but steepens it. Governments and corporations will be able to get their hands on an increasing amount of bitcoin over time, and once they have enough, they’re effectively able to manipulate the supply, not onl...
Hoshi · 161w
when mining rewards become small compared to the value stored on the chain and most transaction are made on lightning miners would need to take very high fees to secure the chain. But because there are few transactions they would compete and accept fees that are too low to finance the necessary amo...
Hoshi · 161w
If a state uses a frontend with a subtile bug it could loose its complete capital. It might punish the programmer, but won‘t get the money back even when everyone acts in good faith.
Christopher Marshall · 161w
Changing the question to: what problems might the transition to Bitcoin bring that could be very challenging to solve? A country with a fiat currency can wage war for much longer than a country that didn't print it's own money. It has the ability to gather more wealth and resources from the popula...
Sats Per Vbyte · 160w
Can't wait to read your book Lyn.
Luffy · 160w
Im a hard money proponent. But I often think of the advances humans have made due to money printing. Some advancements don't have an economical aspect to it and only governments will fund. Blue sky medical, space research, building large hadron colliders etc. What will advancement look like on bi...
Robertrobert · 160w
Proof of work that underlies bitcoin is not possible for infants, kids, elderly, many physical, emotional and mental handicapped. They would rely on some govt/individual subsidy or charity. Bitcoin seems to demand work or value creation at scale. This might be a case where bitcoin could be “bad”...
CLARK KENT · 160w
A downside of universal individual financial sovereignty is that we all become centrally enslaved to a decentralized technology that is out evolving the humans trying to use it. A coded low time preference collective consciousness becomes dystopian when put on logical economic cruise control. T...
Chako Chino · 160w
While the work of Erik Hersmman and others with their very thoughtful and innovative mining operations does incentivise the expansion of the grid in Africa, in the short term what will the 600 million Africans without access to electricity do in a bitcoin world?
Hoshi · 160w
I think of money as the backbone of collective decentralized decision making. When AI become smarter than humans btc will drain from humanity to AI until incentives to improve or at least respect human conditions are gone. Fiat on the other hand could still be created and distributed by nation state...
DrLuke · 158w
Because self custody and owning your own keys is such a prominent narrative in #bitcoin, we might find that security becomes an issue for individuals. If you are your own bank, wich is probably a good thing, where does the bank robbers go if the money is not in the traditional banks any longer? ...