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I spoke at a big bitcoin-adjacent company this week and one of the best questions was from someone who asked what the downsides of bitcoin adoption might be.

I always do appreciate these steelman questions, the skeptical questions, the ones where we challenge ourselves. Only when we can answer those types of questions do we understand the concept that we are promoting.

So the classic example is that in modern economic literature, "deflation is bad". This, however, is only the case in a highly indebted system. Normally, deflation is good. Money appreciates, technology improves, and goods and services get cheaper over time as they should. Price of Tomorrow covers this well. My book touches on this too, etc. The "deflation is bad" meme is still alive in modern economic discourse and thus is worth countering, but I think in the bitcoin spectrum of communities, people get that deflation is fine and good.

My answer to the question was in two parts.

The first part was technological determinism. In other words, if we were to re-run humanity multiple times, there are certain rare accidents that might not replicate, and other commonalities that probably would. Much like steam engines, internal combustion engines, electricity, and nuclear power, I think a decentralized network of money is something we would eventually come across. In our case, Bitcoin came into existence as soon as the bandwidth and encryption tech allowed it to. In other universes or simulations it might look a bit different (e.g. might not be 21 million or ten minute block times exactly), but I think decentralized real-time settlement would become apparent as readily as electricity does, for any civilization that reaches this point. So ethics aside, it just is what it is. It exists, and thus we must deal with it.

The second part was that in my view, transparency and individual empowerment is rarely a bad thing. Half of the world is autocratic. And half of the world (not quite the same half) deals with massive structural inflation. A decentralized spreadsheet that allows individuals to store and send value can't possibly be a bad thing, unless humanity itself is totally corrupted. I then went into more detail with examples about historical war financing, and all sorts of tangible stuff. In other words, a whole chapter full of stuff. I've addressed this in some articles to.

In your view, if you had to steelman the argument as best as you could, what are the scenarios where bitcoin is *BAD* for humanity rather than good for it, on net?
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Pascalito · 132w
In my eyes, Bitcoin would be bad for humanity if it would either become a blueprint for „total control money“ (e.g., successful adoption of CBDC) or if it could be used to establish total control (e.g., if governments or private corporations successfully build chokepoints around it, for instance...
nostrich · 132w
One downside to widespread adaptation would be the cluster risk we have against the cryptographic algorithms used in bitcoin. While there is widespread belief today that they are secure, each algorithm only has a limited lifetime. If people misjudge this or cannot change them in time due to ossifica...
Hoshi · 132w
when mining rewards become small compared to the value stored on the chain and most transaction are made on lightning miners would need to take very high fees to secure the chain. But because there are few transactions they would compete and accept fees that are too low to finance the necessary amo...
Hoshi · 132w
If a state uses a frontend with a subtile bug it could loose its complete capital. It might punish the programmer, but won‘t get the money back even when everyone acts in good faith.
Christopher Marshall · 132w
Changing the question to: what problems might the transition to Bitcoin bring that could be very challenging to solve? A country with a fiat currency can wage war for much longer than a country that didn't print it's own money. It has the ability to gather more wealth and resources from the popula...
Bitcoinharambe · 132w
Well I am afraid if majority of hoomans grasp what #bitcoin really is, adopt it all at once like in a hyperbitconization scenario and know how to mine they wont be growing food or working. The world won’t be the same again!
Sats Per Vbyte · 132w
Can't wait to read your book Lyn.
Luffy · 132w
Im a hard money proponent. But I often think of the advances humans have made due to money printing. Some advancements don't have an economical aspect to it and only governments will fund. Blue sky medical, space research, building large hadron colliders etc. What will advancement look like on bi...
Robertrobert · 132w
Proof of work that underlies bitcoin is not possible for infants, kids, elderly, many physical, emotional and mental handicapped. They would rely on some govt/individual subsidy or charity. Bitcoin seems to demand work or value creation at scale. This might be a case where bitcoin could be “bad”...
nostrich · 132w
Using AI to generate thousands of wallets a minute and parse through them looking for any non zero balances?
CLARK KENT · 132w
A downside of universal individual financial sovereignty is that we all become centrally enslaved to a decentralized technology that is out evolving the humans trying to use it. A coded low time preference collective consciousness becomes dystopian when put on logical economic cruise control. T...
nostrich · 132w
I can’t think of any bad aspects of bitcoin either.
Chako Chino · 132w
While the work of Erik Hersmman and others with their very thoughtful and innovative mining operations does incentivise the expansion of the grid in Africa, in the short term what will the 600 million Africans without access to electricity do in a bitcoin world?
nostrich · 132w
No permanent downside, in my opinion. All the downsides mentioned in this thread are temporary growing pains. Change is hard, if that's even a downside.
Hoshi · 132w
I think of money as the backbone of collective decentralized decision making. When AI become smarter than humans btc will drain from humanity to AI until incentives to improve or at least respect human conditions are gone. Fiat on the other hand could still be created and distributed by nation state...
DrLuke · 130w
Because self custody and owning your own keys is such a prominent narrative in #bitcoin, we might find that security becomes an issue for individuals. If you are your own bank, wich is probably a good thing, where does the bank robbers go if the money is not in the traditional banks any longer? ...