utxo the webmaster 🧑💻
· 85w
That's why they hit samurai first, need those tracking abilities
Kane McGukin
· 85w
Or create entities that gobble up a lot of the market and encourage custody for another large swath to erode the key holders.
Works the same as confiscation, allows for paper products, avoids the need for negative feedback of tax, etc.
Mulecolt
· 85w
It’s an interesting thought experiment to imagine if your government gave you 30 days to move your cold storage bitcoin to a regulated custodian or risk penalty, and more importantly, never be able to spend it. For those of us with a significant portion of our net worth in cold storage it would be...
Candid Wolf
· 85w
Thank you nostr:npub1a2cww4kn9wqte4ry70vyfwqyqvpswksna27rtxd8vty6c74era8sdcw83a I always appreciate your thoughtful replies!
I always wrestle with the question of if bitcoin does too well it’s just as much of a problem for those that own it because surely there will be consequences.
Suggests ...
The Bitruvian Man
· 85w
Hmmm... So basically anyone that has purchased BTC from an exchange and put it on their hardware wallet without obscuring it is screwed if the gov was to selectively tax BTC...
The Commoner
· 85w
I IMAGINE THE GAME BEING PLAYED WITH THE ETF’S ID GOING TO TAKE A BIT OF TIME TO FULLY PLAY OUT AND WHILE THAT HAPPENS THOSE IN POWER WILL MASSAGE WHATEVER PLAN THEY HAVE TO ATTEMPT SOME TYPE OF TAKEOVER… I WOULD POSIT THAT ANOTHER GOOD QUESTION IS…WELL BITCOIN BE RESILIENT ENOUGH TO FIGHT OF ...
Kush
· 85w
Important… thank you
Hawk
· 85w
Push us hard enough, and we'll simply concentrate on developing the parallel economy. Sure, to start with it will be difficult to purchase closely regulated/taxed things like real estate, but I don't expect a bunch of highly motivated paranoid crypto anarchists not to rise to the challenge. I say br...
osygy
· 85w
It would be a shame to see a country come to these measures. I would be forced to consider casting my vote by foot
Alan Siefert
· 85w
Not sure how much political pushing can be done when most people at the time will be no-coiners who would happily vote for taxing the “rich crypto bros.” Assume it’s coming decide whether to live free or die.*
*bend the knee and pay the tax
Renaud Nèvres
· 85w
It’s relatively easy to track but it is also easy to lose your key and find it back much later
Renaud Cuny
· 85w
Also interesting to consider how the game theory may play out at government level. Government is made of people who, some of them at least, will want their share of Bitcoin. They may not have strong incentives to push for confiscatory laws.
George
· 85w
Reminds me of top 2007 commodity peak. Envious of the profits of bhp and rio, Australian government came out with superprofits tax on resources companies to appese Australians. Marked the top as well, prices started crashing with the GFC, let’s see how btc will run and how they react.
Peace K 🪙
· 85w
So Monero is the way to go?
Sandor Clegane
· 85w
That's why creative hiding places were invented... 🤣
Robertrobert
· 85w
Wise words! The government that taxes beyond a certain tipping point will probably be voted out in due course. HODL through if you can. The tax revenue raised will diminish at a certain level as people will not comply and black markets develop.
remyers
· 85w
This is why the Bitcoin ETF is picking up nickles in front of a steam roller. You get price exposure, but it's capped because at some point when the USG is ready to debase for real, they say, "naw, we're done letting this thing run - we'll cash you out now at a price of our choosing."
the axiom
· 85w
do you think saylor doesn't know this at all, or is he just playing dumb for some justifiable reason?
Faroaldo
· 85w
nostr:npub1a2cww4kn9wqte4ry70vyfwqyqvpswksna27rtxd8vty6c74era8sdcw83a Just last week during a press conference an Italian deputy Finance Minister said: “Since it’s spreading more and more, WE PLAN to increase capital gain tax on Bitcoin from 26% to 42%.”
26% is the ordinary capital gain tax h...
forwardsteps 🧡
· 85w
Great message, @LynAlden
forwardsteps 🧡
· 85w
Tax can be ugly, e.g. taxing unrealized gains. Surely no government would be stupid enough (although some are stupid enough to talk of it).
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· 85w
nostr:nprofile1qqsw4v882mfjhq9u63j08kzyhqzqxqc8tgf740p4nxnk9jdv02u37ncpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9uju6mpd4czuumfw3jsz9nhwden5te0wfjkccte9ec8y6tdv9kzumn9wsq3yamnwvaz7tmsw4e8qmr9wpskwtn9wvql3tqm I still have yet to read a story of a regular person getting penalties for not turning in their gold. In many, many ...
CitizenPleb
· 85w
We’re also talking about the Great Depression. There was a need for quick liquidity, so if the government was “handing out” cash I’m sure it was gladly accepted for small trinkets of gold lying around.
Let’s put it this way, a migrant family living in a New York City tenement building is...
Fabel
· 85w
Great education. Thank you
BR Bitcoinapolis
· 85w
Mother-in-law's mother, coming over from Germany (through Ellis Island) smuggled gold coins in the hem of her dress.
Family still has them, may have to convince them to convert to Digital Gold and no seeds to sew except for the 12 in your head.
⚡₿it₿y₿it⚡
· 85w
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boston wine
· 85w
Welp, that’s making me rethink the “conventional wisdom” (if it’s old enough to call it that) of holding a KYC stack alongside a KYC-free stack….
SATSMAN
· 85w
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Stramineus
· 85w
Generally agree but please stop pushing the "gold confiscation" hoax.
An Executive Order by POTUS only applies to the Executive Dept. of the federal gov't. The President cannot make law by fiat.
Paul
· 85w
40 years? Pfff ₿itcoiners are hodling for 1,000 years.
Danny 👾
· 85w
Fear, not enforcement. Can they track Bitcoin better? Doubt it. But watch out for 'selective taxes' - the sophisticated way to strangle freedom 💸
AceaSpades
· 85w
Do we have a good ol’ Bitcoin Voter’s Club in the world yet? A good, concise list of what to vote for, where to vote for it, with a social layer on top to help communication?
SuiGenerisJohn
· 85w
The question is who has the resources to not be a target while the lawsuits play out. Rough times potentially.
Erik Valium
· 85w
Basically, it is about confiscation, using an unjust law to create fear of its non-compliance and its illegality. That is coercion in every sense of the word. Monopoly of violence in action.
shortwavesurfer2009
· 85w
so glad Monero is a thing
Sooly⚡️سولي 🇱🇧🇧🇪🇦🇪🇦🇴
· 85w
nostr:npub150pfv4zlu6823c6l5myd37dax255d3g2tt422mdvryszwt4y8dqq8uscgq throughout history, when governments felt their power slipping they often reached for the people’s wealth. And gold has been a prime target. In 1933, through executive order 1602, American citizens were required to turn in their...
Trivium
· 85w
@candid wolf
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BitcoinBenny
· 85w
mixers don't address taxes?
Deleted Account
· 85w
#Fear is used so often to control populations.
Trivium
· 85w
201 on how gold was confiscated:
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WildBill
· 85w
Well said.
Anahit
· 83w
Based on fear. Based on fear, fear, fear. It was not a dictatorship but..... it worked
Deepening in these issues would be of interest, wouldn't it?
Ape Mithrandir
· 80w
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