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JeffG
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I'm sitting here listening to the rain and the forest, drinking a cup coffee, and thinking about Europe and the direction it's headed.

On one hand. I LOVE where I live. The quality of life is off the charts; I've got great friends, good food, and insanely good access to all the outdoor activities that makes me happy.

On the other hand. It's becoming more dystopian every month with the continuous stream of AML/KYC/Taxation/Prohibition laws being proposed and/or coming into force.

The continual gaslighting and incompetence that goes on at every level of government about the causes for rising cost of living and deteriorating economic conditions is also beyond absurd.

It's not the continent for running a business. It's not the continent for building wealth. It's not the continent for being free and having agency over your life and your finances.

I don't want to leave my valley. But I don't want to be subject to the EU bullshit either.

I know I'm mostly complaining here, and I'm certainly not expecting anyone to have any answers for me, but it's something I think about often and I wonder how many others are in similar situations.

I'd love to hear from folks that have left Europe (or other crumbling empire states) about their experiences.

Also – where have you all found to be the most free & open jurisdictions in the world?
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Carl B Menger · 113w
Feeling the same Bro.
nikola · 113w
Same, look east, the balkans, in europe, but still not.
Om | 1Β’ / 1Ε›at | 2.1 quadrillion · 113w
Problem is, everywhere is becoming more surveilled. What I can’t work out is why humanity is doing this to itself, or are there problematic, non human forces at play. My advice would be to stay where you friends, family and love is. That’s the deeper, more important part of life in the end. ...
Dan · 113w
GM! πŸ’œ
thom · 113w
Exactly how I’m feeling and very interested in the replies.
Den Yellek · 113w
We need to band together and buy an island.
BitcoinAndSpace2 · 113w
FWIW I've moved from a crazed woke US state to a more freedom oriented state. I did not have deep ties in the previous state, and life in the new state is much more relaxing and beautiful. And I still have my escape plan in place if the US loses its mind.
π•žptf · 113w
It's all pretty worrying but as with convid, we survived and tuning out to the propaganda is probably the most healthy thing to do.
SovereignOne · 113w
I’m thinking this may be almost a universal experience at this point in time.
elsat · 113w
The answer, if there is such a thing, is not static. Avoid: what you described Seek: jurisdictions that welcome you, welcome business, welcome entrepreneurs, welcome families. No place is perfect, and exploring options in different blocks is the way. For instance, Canada, US, and Italy is the sa...
quillie · 113w
The EU is done. Thought about Norway or Switzerland?
Jeroen βœ… · 113w
How much of what you know to change affects you personally? I hear a lot of changes you're talking about from people online, but my life has changed 0% last couple years (besides inflation)
tek · 113w
I'm looking to find the right compromise too. I live in the pre-alps and I think that's one of the most beautiful place to be. Changing depends in what your hope is, too be a free and happy individual or to help build your community. It will always look like the grass is greener where you are not,...
Neo ⚑️ · 113w
Maybe all european based bitcoiners should move together to #Lugano 😁
Erik · 113w
Pura Vida πŸ€™
0xtr · 113w
I'm basically in the same boat as you Jeff. Love to live where I live but I'm afraid for the future of Europe. I don't want my future kids to grow up in an orwellian commie environment that Europe seems to be forming into. Following this thread.
Kontext · 113w
Left Europe in the end of 2019, been living mostly in Australia, travelled a little bit of Asia (Cambodia, Thailand, Bali), currently checking out New Zealand. It's sort of similar everywhere, but it definitely feels like the EU is getting worse faster. Australia is great - big, beautiful and kind o...
DireMunchkin · 113w
I've lived in Switzerland for 3 years, I really recommend it! Nature around here is beautiful - It's in the middle of the alps, so you have a lot of big and small mountains nearby. There's also many lakes between the mountains you can go boating or swimming in. In winter there's great access to ski...
Zorbar · 113w
Gm
gsovereignty · 113w
Western world is a write off. South America is too far away from everything. Africa no. Middle East no. Eurasia meh. So that leaves Asia. Having been everywhere, I'll stick to Hong Kong for now because of the level of personal/financial/monetary/business freedom, and Thailand as somewhere to esca...
KaliYuga · 113w
I'm in the same boat. So far, I remain a resident of EU (though I spend a good chunk of the year in Switzerland), but I feel there's a tipping point. One day, EU will enforce just another seemingly inocuous dystopian law and I'll decide I'm done and just leave. I've lived in Latam in the past and wi...
hopey · 113w
Pretty much what I feel too.
nostrich · 113w
I just moved into Spain, from a place that sucked more. It's better here, but I have similar concerns. I know it's a temporary solution. It looks like there can't be a good answer. You either get good quality of life, or freedom, not both. Until some jurisdiction rebuilds itself around sound money ...
Kieran · 113w
Same... but if I knew the answer I would not be still living in EU right now haha
Cesar Dias · 113w
I am still on the hunt for a country πŸ˜“
btconboard #LNHANCE or #CTV · 113w
Best of luck sir!! No easy answers unfortunately. American bitcoiners have roughly the same concerns. If there is/was a cheap market that had high quality of living and truly was freedom oriented then it wouldn’t stay cheap for long. That’s how people and markets work over time. Even Latam coun...
Loly ⚑ πŸ’œ · 113w
Same...
47 · 113w
feel this big time
JB · 113w
been thinking about this a bunch. Stuck in precisely your conundrum, really not wanting to leave my blissful valley https://www.aier.org/article/foot-voting-reconsidered-how-should-i-think-about-leaving/
AJ Garnerin · 113w
Exactly this. I wouldn't mind moving within Europe, but I don't want to leave Europe.
urza · 113w
πŸ–οΈ I am in the same boat brother. You said it as it is.
HumbleSatsMan · 113w
I have a similar feeling but possibly the biggest difference that I was born on this continent. I personally find the greatest difficulty that my friends and family somehow understand what I mean but I struggle with it because when I deepen the subject they see me as a nutjobπŸ˜…
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