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Jeff Booth
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I’m writing this because I keep getting asked to comment on Saylor/Saif video even though my position hasn’t changed.

The natural state of the free market is deflation which means all prices fall forever in Bitcoin (assuming it stays decentralized and secure)

Free market economies are more productive meaning faster deflation (or real wealth gains by falling prices)


That system is incompatible with an inflationary monetary system meaning one of those systems must fail.


Either:

1) A system based on truth, hope, and abundance for all 8 billion people on the planet driven by a free market economy and all prices fall relative to bitcoin forever. This means Bitcoin is used as a medium of exchange and freedom tech spreads to the world through lightning, Liquid, Fedimint, Cashu, etc.

OR

2) A control system. An extractive rent seeking system that is NOT the free market (similar to the one we have had for 5000 years that resets every 100 or so years through war) continues to centralize by having you believe price of bitcoin is going up in fiat which makes the surveillance state stronger. This eventually centralizes Bitcoin - custodians, media, regulation (funded from the same manipulation of money) where it is attacked from layer 2. (Similar to gold)


While these ideas may “seem” compatible in the short term because you want Bitcoin to go up in fiat. What it really means is that you are giving your energy and strength to the system centralizing the world by converting Bitcoin to Fiat….to then measure prices.

Quite simply - If Bitcoin is only a store of value, it fails as a store of value.

Ps - It won’t fail. #1 is inevitable in time because too many (and more each day) have seen behind the curtain and are determined to build path #1.

Many of you here - the people that inspire me every day. You make a difference with every word, thought and action.
Almost did that in all caps per @ODELL because it’s so important.


Referring to # 1 above…..There is no second best.
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Glaisterp · 82w
In a future Bitcoin standard, Banks might exist if the market determines that there is a need , but interest rate when market determine will ultimately trend to zero . When banks cannot be bailed out , depending on how the contract is structured, the Bitcoin owner get back what is left of the value ...
Roark Janis · 82w
#1 all the way! In addition to the tools like "lightning, Liquid, Fedimint, Cashu, etc.", for Medium of Exchange (Moe), we will need tools and applications to use bitcoin as a Unit of Account (UoA). I think that aspect of MoE adoption is not getting enough attention and I'm organizing some efforts ...
charliesurf · 82w
i had to re listen to the full 2 hours 40 minutes and i am half way through the second listen... we are lucky to have someone like @saylor as a bitcoiner and interestingly enough he is not afraid to speak and separate himself from the herd mentality ... i applaud that... there is too much NPC thinki...
Lucid · 82w
Bitcoin can only be centralized if literally only one hooman/entity has access to the code. Otherwise, it spreads, and everyone can run their own instance of Bitcoin.
Lucid · 82w
How is this content? To reiterate what we all already know. Hey everyone!! Sharks swim in water. Sometimes sharks are dead and outside of water, but they typically like to swim in water.
Zoltán · 82w
Bitcoin is a black hole eating all the Fiat world! 😎
CorneliusNostr · 82w
My perception was that they spoke past each other and both raised some valid points. Saylor might still be in the Warren Buffet mindset, where Warren stated once that he does not see the current government adopt BTC as a currency as it competes with their power. Government loves power so that st...
CorneliusNostr · 82w
To add, the problem with an appreciating asset is that people do not like disposing of it (Especially longer term preference people, probably 3-5% of global population) In turn that creates currency supply problems, especially if it is relied upon for exchange of value. This might lead to a two ti...
RK · 82w
The only “yield” we should understand https://m.primal.net/KvWL.jpg https://m.primal.net/KvWM.jpg https://m.primal.net/KvWN.jpg
MRbtc · 82w
Trump buying with Bitcoin is as much important as the pizzas bought with Bitcoin in early beggining.
John James · 82w
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AULANI · 82w
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Eugenius · 81w
Bitcoin have ultimately only the value of the goods and services you can get for them. Sooner or later we need to earn bitcoin to create abundance
Sleventy3 · 81w
Thanks for the awesome read. Your posts are hidden to many of us. Perhaps join a few more relays?
Feelancer21 · 81w
Hello Jeff, Here are my 2 sats. I believe Bitcoiners should move away from the idea that, under a BTC standard, prices need to be denominated in sats. Instead, we should consider denominating prices in hashes. Reasoning: A product's price in sats can fall for two reasons: 1. The product can be pr...
CitizenPedro · 81w
I really really like the idea/vision of a global free market with very low barriers of trading for everyone. On that note (and touching 1.): Another aspect I've been thinking is how Bitcoin is also a very strong social signal. By using it you're already giving out the message that you want a new f...
Turner · 80w
gotta be a multi generational effort
Hydra Badger · 80w
Is it possible to determine the value of one side of a bitcoin transaction without using fiat as a reference in that moment? Ex. If someone says I’ll sell you this house for 10 BTC, isn’t the only way to determine if it’s a good trade is by mentally converting the 10 BTC to fiat and then compa...
Ben-g · 77w
I guess if humans don’t fail, fiat will die on the long run and if we collapse and some survive those will at least have a better idea of how to act after a big reset. One thing is the tool right let's see how we use it
Deleted Account · 77w
100% agree! 👍
cyanoctopus · 77w
Hi Jeff, love your work, your profound premise is truly valid ==> real prices fall for all goods and services across time. As for Bitcoin, I feel (think I think) that forces created by big players can only strengthen it, whether they know they are being good or bad, honest or corrupt. Evil, ignoranc...
Jake Woodhouse · 77w
Well said that man Inspired
₿harat · 77w
Thank you for every word here Jeff.
FloorHodl · 77w
https://m.primal.net/LeTj.jpg https://getalby.com/p/nomorefloors How I feel having bitcoin. Especially after reading Jeff's post.
Socrates · 68w
They’re both wrong but Jeff you are correct . Interest rates will be extremely high and the counter party risk on both sides will make loans pointless .