About 11800sats/gal in europe or about 5800 sats in US. Ouch

Thanks for discussing, I honestly dont know much. Just a screenshot of my thoughts at one particular time.

Those who dont considered power will always be taken advantage of by those that do.. Just the way nature works. While i can defend myself from other individuals, it is near impossible to defend oneself from a large group. Not trying to say the government we have today doesnt overstep its role, but there will always be some group assuming that role, we just have to make sure they dont abuse it, we've failed at doing that.

No one has the right to infringe on another's right of self ownership, okay, so what happens when someone does infringe on another's right to self ownership?

What is this definition based on? Per this definition, anarchy has nothing to do with governments, as governments only "steward" populations towards whatever means, they do not "own" their populations. There is nothing preventing someone from acting on their own means to flee such jurisdictions, for better or worse. You are free to ignore the rules set by the steward governments, but you also accept the consequences of doing such, just as a kid is free to ignore their parents, and accepts the consequences of doing such.

So essentially, per this definition, yeah everyone lives in anarchy, so what?

We also technically live in communism. Because I control my means of production, I am a worker and I can control what I want to produce. Myself and my community are not able to produce enough to realistically compete with the living conditions of the societal structure we live in, nor could we create a defense at scale to protect our community from said society if we did.

Sure we could share some things among a community, as long as we still participated in the state we live in.

Also, im not pro communism, I just think people have a misconception of what it looks like due to claims of communism by states abusing their workers. We've never seen real communism, as it is effectively impossible at large scare.

So I guess governments could claim to be pro anarchy/(individual freedom) or pro communism, but both are oxymoron as they both exist seperate from the state. So yeah, same thing.

Calling a government communist government is like calling a government an anarchist government lol both are oxymoron

True communism has never existed. What everyone calls communism is not communism, also, communist governments will never be successful

"Rules without rulers" , same thing as laws without rulers. Don't need a ruler for there to be laws. Even family's have their own laws and the punishment for breaking them may be decided amongst the family or by the "leader" of the family. Anarchy is impossible because someone ultimately will make decisions on behave of others, hence not true anarchy. And ultimately people will give someone else power to provide things for them that they can't provide for themselves.

"Abolition of government is local" yet every state is also in a form of anarchy. Then you're just deciding on who gets to make the rules and its not actually anarchy.

There are rulers, from the family to the state, there always will be. And people will always rely on more than just local communities for things, because we dont live in the caveman days.

Anarchy is the same as communism, an idealist utopia where everyone gets along and handles things on their own and no one group takes advantage of it. Both require the abolition of government. Laws without rulers by the people, but humans suck and take advantage of any system reliant upon good human nature. so both are just silly ideological utopias that will never happen.

The Trojan horse is so convincing even bitcoiners believe it's changed sides.

The U-Shaped Trap of Control: Both extremes on your horizontal axis (Marxism-Leninism on the left and Anarcho-Capitalism on the right) ultimately result in a massive peak of centralized control. Whether that control manifests as an authoritarian state (left) or monolithic corporate monopolies (right), the outcome for the populace is effectively the same: high centralization and a lower quality of life.The "Money Printing" Accelerator: The yellow line illustrates that when you introduce fiat money and artificial money creation into either of these systems, it supercharges and exaggerates that centralization. It acts as the ultimate mechanism to bypass balanced representation, driving the control system straight up to that top red line.The "We Are Here" Disconnect: This explains the stark vertical gap indicated by your green arrows. While everyday political discourse focuses on moving left or right between capitalism and socialism (the lower valley), the actual mechanism of money creation has completely detached the system from that floor, pushing society into an elevated state of extreme control regardless of party lines.