You're talking about exceptional days with a lot of traffic though. I'm hardly surprised they were thriving. Kind of my point that miners will need a lot of traffic to make it worth their time once block subsidy fades away. Not once in a blue moon spikes. Where is all that traffic going to come from if it is expected that most users are going to transact off-chain on lightning, ark, ecash, etc in the future?

I need to think more about your last two paragraphs. Not sure if intermittent mining with excess energy would be enough to offset all the other hashrate that would be lost that would no longer feasible.

Kind of off-topic, but what ever happend with the Monero ecash mint you were working on? Heard you mention it in a talk last year i think

If that happens you're right security budget will be fine. But the argument is there is no guarantee the price will keep going up at that rate. We already see it's slowing down. Consider the subsidy will eventually go away so transactions happening on-chain will be crucial to generate fees for miners.
So 1) price has to continue rising at a fast enough rate to offset decreasing subsidy 2) avg transaction count has to continue increasing on-chain, or 3) a combo of both

Current L2s so far don't help because miners get none of the fees that happen within Lightning, Ark, Spark, and ecash (where most user are expected to transact in the future as adoption increases)

Open to being convinced otherwise, but it seems like a big issue down the road

Yea I meant it's likely not happening on BTC. You're talking about Sztorcs Ecash right? Definitely interested in checking it out when it drops

Well yea isnt' it obvious?... it's working right now even when the mempool is empty because there is still a block subsidy

1. Using drivechains is optional though. People who don't trust it can completely ignore it. They never have to expose any of their funds to it and can continue using on-chain, lightning, ark, ecash, etc. Bit of irony considering the last three have a lot more trust assumptions than drivechains, but people are still okay with them.

2. You won't literally have to wait 3 months to get your coins if you don't want to. You can swap with other users on-chain or use services like Boltz that there will surely be a market for like every other coin. I think there is even a drivechain for decentralized exchanges already.

3. Honestly, I don't really have a strong opinion on this. It's kind of already shitcoinified isn't that the whole contention with BIP110 vs Core right now? At least with drivechains the incentives push people to do that off the L1. Most people already associate Bitcoin with crypto in general and use them interchangeably.

4. True

I don't think drivechains will likely happen either.

It is kind of parasitic in that way too since transactions happening on lightning don't pay miners transaction fees to secure the blockchain. If most transactions are supposed to happen on lightning in the future, and block subsidy is going away, who is going to pay miners?

Lightning works for now, but a Drivechain future seems more symbiotic and sustainable.

Thought it was legit at first, but now I'm thinking they're mostly bots

Dude just mute them and the word BCH, use web of trust, paid relays, etc if you don't like them.

Nostr is permissionless this was always going to happen. The protocol isn't dependent on lightning or bitcoin to function at all (or any crypto for that matter)

Where was this?