Thank you for your response & willingness to engage!

I’ll respond in order of the ideas you presented.

• Yes, like a theft victim who willfully submits to a thieving thug, that victim is indeed not evil or committing a wrong. Similarly, a Christian who allows themself to be abused, is not participating in evil or committing a wrong.

• Correct, no one is obligated to allow themselves to be victimized and therefore do have a right to defensive force. Both willful submission to abuse and defensive force are not evil; either option is a morally correct choice.

• Sport team coaches or referees “govern” a team or game, but you don’t call them “government.” Same with a pastor, priest, clergy, church elders, business owners, etc. There is a mixup of terms in this sense. “Government” is always used to describe a person or group, who are assumed to possess rights that we ‘normal’ humans don’t have. *IF* however a “government” were ONLY to possess the same rights as what humans actually possess (such as the right to defensive force, choose to live wisely to set an example, praise others for their good choices, promote justice, only trade with what is rightfully theirs, etc), then they no longer are “government,” but are merely people organizing and cooperating.

• To be concise, I plan to only discuss the first passage you list. Some of the concepts can translate to other verses too…

Romans 13 “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities…”

- Who are these God-appointed governing authorities?
- If a thug were to rob you, would you not have the right to defensive force if they merely call themselves “government?”
- Put differently, (and the main crux of the matter across the board…) could this God-ordained “governing authority” have the *moral right* to commit any type of *moral wrong?*
- The KJV sounds like it may be closer to the original Hebrew wording which reads, “be subject unto the Higher Powers” …yes, I do submit to God and God’s law; there is no king but Christ.

…”For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.”

- There is no authority but that which is from God. We have been given authority over ourselves. As we have free will, we are responsible for our own actions.
- This also means we *do not* have a right to infringe on another’s rights (which are also derived from their equal self-ownership).
- Maybe related… if I were to commit a wrong (undermining another’s God-given authority over themself), I should not resist justice.


Main takeaway:

If God is Truth, then He cannot contradict Himself.
One cannot possess a *right* to commit a *wrong.*

I never signed shit 🙋

Where did I say it’s *my* moral framework? …I only present “based” Truth.

Where did I infer that I support the Fed or Deep State?

…And where did I say it’s possible for people to never be victimized while here in earth?

Thank you for clarifying. It seems we’re on the same page in terms of what is morally right: freedom of association, freedom of disassociation, & non-initiation of violence.

However, I’ve simply never heard of a “Chrstian-Nationalist” using such a term to mean shared feature.

Other Christians and I usually say things like “the Church,” “Catholic,” “Protestant,” “Southern Baptist,” “Presbyterian,” a specific local church name, etc when referencing a voluntary group based on shared Christian values.

Similarly, anytime I hear use of the word, “Nation” in present day, it is used to describe a particular territory. That particular territory is always defined by an area of a specific ruling class. It’s the modern use of the term.

If you use these words differently, that’s perfectly fine — what I care about is we understand and respect the self-ownership of others; we don’t initiate violence & know how to peacefully coexist 🤝

The concept of “nation” (a proclaimed territory of a particular authoritarian ruling class… who use *violence* to shape a common ‘cultural and political’ landscape) and Christian (one who acknowledges God as the author and creator AND chooses to align their actions in a way pleasing to Him as intended) is completely incompatible no matter the long explanation you aim to convince yourself.

“Thou shall not steal”

“Love your neighbor as yourself”

“Put no other gods before me” (no one is exempt from morality)

*EVERY TIME* you find morality, you’ll find freedom.

Happy Nostrversary!

My goal here is to shed light to the principled stand.

No one has the right to violently control what is not theirs, nor ask others to do such too.

If these corporations were given stolen money / favors etc through the violence of government, those violent acts by government were wrong. If these corporations asked for the government to violently control others for these benefits… that too is just as wrong as the anti-data center people.

Thank you so much 🎉

Hey that’s awesome! What a great day to Nostr!!

And thanks, friend 😎