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Guy Swann · 65w
Absolutely not, when you finally get to the other side, going back to deal with fiat is such a pain in the ass it’s incredible.
Rob Hamilton · 67w
No, because it wasn’t controversial outside of a narrow band of people looking to create a wedge in order to promote alternative implementations to core or do marketing for Ocean.
Murch · 69w
Thanks, let's dive in, shall we? What issue were you experiencing with the Pi4? I'm asking because there is a common misunderstanding that the entire UTXO set needs to fit into RAM, but that is no...
Node Runner profile picture
A general synopsis is that with 8Gb Pi4, I cannot add some other apps on my Umbrel OS on top of Core + Lightning + Electrum and some other apps like Jam, Mempool, Nostr relay and Pi-hole. Thats my point, a slow degradation that has made me upgrade to mini-PC within 4 years.

Rather than diving further in that aspect, what are core developers doing to resist or prevent further UTXO bloat?
Murch · 67w
What we're doing is significantly improving the performance of Bitcoin Core with many releases. Maybe you're just expecting a little much out of such a low-powered device?
Murch · 69w
Does someone want to explain to me how OP_RETURNs increase the blockchain growth, hardware requirements, or otherwise increase the cost of running a node? I keep seeing that concern, and that seems co...
Node Runner profile picture
My thinking is as follows:

1. UTXO bloat (4 GB -> 12 GB in the last year?) has already increased the growth and hardware requirements (I had to replace my Pi4 8 GB)

2. Bitcoin core has done nothing to fight against it.

3. Now they want to invite more spammers and it's not going to help with Problem1 because it is financially wise to put data in witness than OP_RETURN.
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Murch · 69w
Thanks, let's dive in, shall we? What issue were you experiencing with the Pi4? I'm asking because there is a common misunderstanding that the entire UTXO set needs to fit into RAM, but that is not the case. The UTXO set is mostly stopped on disk. You only need a couple gigs of RAM for Bitcoin C...
Repeatedly nuked profile · 69w
> Half-penny and paisa were in common circulation until inflation wiped it out. cents and dimes will also go away as well given the rate of dollar inflation. Which changes nothing. If half-penny were...
Node Runner profile picture
Whatever floats your boat man.

You started by saying for a currency we need the smallest base unit that is not further divisible, and the likes of Jack and you want to call it "Bitcoin".

As a counter example, I said L2 further divides the base unit, which I call "sats" into "millisats", so my question is, where you draw the line of redefining the base unit? As I said, Bitcoin is deflationary currency so, in 100 years, what happens when we need micro-sats in L2?

I'll give you my main summary.

My point is the base unit is Bitcoin, and there is 21 million of them. You can divide it to smaller units as you want (L2, L3, maybe even soft fork L1). You can call it sats, bits, micro-sats, micro-bits, etc. Giving your example, your height is 1.90m /190 cm. You can even call it 1,900mm or 1,900,00 um etc. What you cannot do is redefine the units and say your height is 190 m, and that is the crux of the matter.

In regards to using as medium of exchange, it depends on the size of the transaction. For a house price, you'll say it costs 4 bitcoin, not 400,000,000 sats. And for a milk, you'll say its costs 400 sats not 0.00000400 btc. The human mind will adopt to the correct size designation, like we use for length scale (lightyears), mass scale (amu) and time scale measurements (millenia).

At this point, I am done discussing this matter any further, as its clear we have agreed to disagree.
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Repeatedly nuked profile · 69w
No, my argument is simply that the currency should pass the grocery store test. If we keep Sats as Sats and rename the whole currency as Sats, that's fine. (It's what'll happen anyway over time.) If we keep the currency as Bitcoin and rename sats as Bitcoin, that's fine too. Both options work. ...
Repeatedly nuked profile · 69w
See "in common circulation". Neither the half-penny nor the paisa are in common circulation, neither physically nor digitally. Case closed. You are the one who brought physical length into the dis...
Node Runner profile picture
> Half-penny and paisa were in common circulation until inflation wiped it out. cents and dimes will also go away as well given the rate of dollar inflation.

> Try changing the 21Million cap and you will see that no nodes will accept it: no one wants to willingly dilute their worth. That is what I mean by Bitcoin's global truth.

Bitcoin is a deflationary currency. What happens when we need units smaller than one sat? For instance, Lightning uses milli-sats. What happens to the base money then, just keep redefining the base unit? Your reductionist viewpoint doesn't bode well.
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Repeatedly nuked profile · 69w
> Half-penny and paisa were in common circulation until inflation wiped it out. cents and dimes will also go away as well given the rate of dollar inflation. Which changes nothing. If half-penny were in common circulation then it would be the smallest individual unit in common circulation. There's ...
Repeatedly nuked profile · 70w
That's just another false comparison. For length, the quantum unit for everything is the planck length. Anything else is arbitrary. Calling 1 meter a "base unit" for this or that is just something...
Node Runner profile picture
I like how how you brought quantum physics into discussion.

In that case, let me bring the analogy of relativity, and compare bitcoin with speed of light, c. Bitcoin's global truth is 21 Million bitcoin. Anything else is arbitrary.

And like I mentioned earlier, you cherry pick parts you like, and ignore what you don't. see below:

> There were half-pennies in circulation in 1800s. Check Lyn Alden's Broken money.

> Rupees have smaller units called paisa. 100 paisa = 1 rupees.



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Repeatedly nuked profile · 69w
See "in common circulation". Neither the half-penny nor the paisa are in common circulation, neither physically nor digitally. Case closed. You are the one who brought physical length into the discussion, and we need physics for length. Both a meter and an angstrom can be expressed in terms of t...
Repeatedly nuked profile · 70w
That's just another false comparison. For length, the quantum unit for everything is the planck length. Anything else is arbitrary. Calling 1 meter a "base unit" for this or that is just something someone decided one day. In currency, the base or quantum unit is the smallest indivisible unit in...
Repeatedly nuked profile · 70w
Oh please, lakhs and crores are another obviously false comparison. These as slang for amounts exist under the umbrella of rupees (or whatever else is being counted). A dollar doesn't exist under the ...
Node Runner profile picture
all these big words, but what's your point?

I clearly gave you a unit ratio comparison with word-pair that you say shouldn't exist in real world: Angstrom to meter. But you completely ignore it.

Within the term rupees, I gave you examples of lakhs (10^5) and crores (10^7).

So just like 10crores = 10,000,000 rupees, 1 bitcoin = 10,000,000 sats.
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Repeatedly nuked profile · 70w
>So just like 10crores = 10,000,000 rupees, 1 bitcoin = 10,000,000 sats. But the name of the currency is "rupees", do you see the difference? It's named after the base unit. By your logic, 1 bitcoin = 100,000,000 Sats *and the currency is Sats*. Bitcoin happens to be but a slang denomination of...
Repeatedly nuked profile · 70w
Ratio wise, you do realise the difference between dollars and cents and. sats and bitcoin? In the whole wide financial world, do we have a word for 100 million of something for which there exists a ...
Node Runner profile picture
lol I just gave you the example with Angstroem and Meter. (Ratio of 1:10,000,000,000)

You can call MegaSats, KiloSats, just like there is milliSats in lightning.

And if you are worried by 8 zeroes instead of 9, go study eastern culture where they use Lakhs and Crores with even spaces (2 units).

Stop shoving your naive take.
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Repeatedly nuked profile · 70w
Oh please, lakhs and crores are another obviously false comparison. These as slang for amounts exist under the umbrella of rupees (or whatever else is being counted). A dollar doesn't exist under the umbrella of something else.