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sister_sam · 3w
Arranging collectively means voluntary cooperative efforts. That is NOT what government does at all. They are NOT us, the people. If that is not obvious to you then I don't know how it could be mor...
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Menno Reitse Bouma @mrbouma
I know some people working for the government, atleast those select few are very much 'us' in my humble opinion. Unless you mean government as in a global financial / military / technological cabal or something, in that case I have no clue since I don't know any of em 🧐

Yes the world unfortunately still sucks in many aspects, but no not everyone in the government does. And many of them are working hard every day to try to make the world a little better in steps (as are many outside of the government of course).

Agree to disagree on what 'agree to disagree' means 😂 From my side its just a friendly attempt to recognize that you and I may think differently about the world and thats fine. Just like it is completely fine for you to see that as cowardice and dishonesty.

Flo Montoya · 3w
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MrTea · 4w
The new system sounds like an improvement then. I mean it’s kinda like choosing between a punch in the arm or a kick in the nuts. One is better but neither would be more ideal
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We'll see how it goes! Personally I would like a tax system mostly based on:

1) Consumption tax (VAT / energy tax / tolls for roads etc)

2) Combined with wealth tax, since you cant fully control your consumption patterns yourself, sometimes life just happens and it would be unfair to fully punish the individual for that imo, so having the most fortunate members of the group pay a higher group contribution via a wealth tax (incl. a decent exemption for low levels of wealth) seems fine to me and I'd gladly pay that wealth tax myself if it comes to it

3) A lower income tax to stimulate working, I get that we need investments (= wealth) to make it possible to work efficiently and innovate, but I feel like the balance between capital and labor has become kinda skewed. Probably something to do with fiat 🤪

1-3 above is just the way I would like it to be structured. There will then of course be a lot of details to decide on such as how much tax income should all of this generate and how can we minimize that amount, but still arrange all the things we want to arrange collectively. Not easy and every individuals will have a different answee. Definitely interesting to think about though, we'll see how it goes!

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Menno Reitse Bouma · 3w
*individual, answer. Man an edit button would be good 😂
sister_sam · 3w
If I failed to mention it I consider all tax systems pure thievery by the ruling class and utterly unnecessary for all worthwhile things the people actually want to be satisfied as much as is is possible in reality.