I know this isn't quite the same topic, so I'm not attempting to argue for or against the OP. It just reminded me of the artist Tom Jennings (among many other things), and I figured you might enjoy this project of his:
https://www.sensitiveresearch.com/Objects/GTNG/index.html

I'm enjoying this thread with you and mleku. I missed you @mleku . I will always remember your generous transcription of my prayer paper.

Jello is a boomer

Systems/design/engineering folks that see the value of permaculture and put it into practice are more common than you think, particularly if you go outside the US.

Apologies to Dick Pick... I couldn't help myself. He is the absolute goat, microcoding directly on TTL *and fucking providing that as an option in the OS*. Sometimes my adolescent self/humor comes through... It was on a Corndalerian thread, though, so I get a pass, I figure.

This happened... there were... ummm.... externalities. Jello was/is brilliant, but I can't see him doing complexity analysis. But... yeah... it is society in general. I always enjoyed Aldous Huxley's interview with Mike Wallace *in 1958*. We all kind of vary as we slot into blue/red, etc., it is human nature (Tomasello [2]). From my perspective, though, it is about scale, complexity, and machines with a mind of their own... not just AI, but the whole beast we are part of. We like to take the comfortable parts, but dismiss the difficult parts. Anyway... Love Jello. And that Ice T song with the Black Sabbath sample was a great Jello addition to my meat kit.

[1] https://youtu.be/alasBxZsb40

[2] https://web.archive.org/web/20070418142809/http://groups.inf.ed.ac.uk/ppig/readinglist/tomasello_et_al2004.pdf

Yes. Ouroboros concept writing that doesn't match their spoken language, as spoken language is serialized, is how I see it, which is why I asked. It is surprisingly good. I've seen it pop up for a decade and thought, "Oh... no way. That looks stupid." I was turned on to it by my Bluesky feed where they compared human to Fermilab.

I saw this pic, and two things crossed my mind. HODL's strange "this is my politics" meme, and then, WTF is that large plastic heart replica doing? This is getting really weird. A bit like Schulz's picnic bench. ( https://www.ted.com/talks/kathryn_schulz_on_being_wrong )

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