wait, very green? extra green

@nprofile1q... What is this? Bringing up 1812 and guarantees of independence the UK is incapable and absolutely unwilling to enforce? Huh? What is this, what are you trying to do here? There is something gross and dishonest here that makes me think we’re not having an interesting discussion but actually you are trying to have some kind of weird debate.

The UK is part of the core that makes up the neoliberal world order, they’re nearly identical to the USA in terms of global policy. If you hate USA global politics but give a pass to the UK then you aren’t sincere.

@nprofile1q... Canada already has Leopard 2 tanks and we’re trying to replace them.

We agree about US components, but the problem is truly usa-free modern jets are really hard to find. Lol, maybe we should buy from China? Can you imagine lol I’m kidding but I’d love to see how angry the yanks get.

Regarding independence from the USA, my preference is we distance ourselves as much as possible. Whether we do and how it’s done is up to Carney and the Liberals. Most Canadians i know have become very much aware of what the US lead hegemony looks like recent times and are fairly disgusted by it. Ie Gaza and Cuba.

@nprofile1q... Well, you aren’t wrong but Germany isn’t the right country to buy tanks from now. Were using German tanks now, but Germany needs it’s own tanks, the difference between putting Canadians or Germans in the tanks isn’t useful. Those tanks really should stay in Europe right now.

The real problem with the F35 is the tech that can’t be licensed and built locally, and it integrates and is meant to work within the Americans intelligence framework and their software. If the engines are made in Sweden or Canada that’s not a problem that GE designed the engine. F35 components are not available like this. F35 has a lot of secrets built in. I’m not an expert on the Gripen so if you are saying it’s compromised I’ll take your word for it. Something completely clean would be ideal. But is that for sale? France maybe, but I’m not sure they have the production capacity.

I don’t trust the UK much more than I do the USA, we shouldn’t use their tech either.

@nprofile1q... I’m gonna 3d print one now

:tanks:

Look how cool it is 😭