Haven't spoken to him in years. List contact. He designed all the phones for orange in uk and then moved to blackberry. Not even sure what he's doing these days. Used to be an ass going out with him cause if he saw you put an old phone on the table, he'd drop it in your beer and pull a new one out of his pocket and tell you to keep up with the technology. We learned quick but a few phones met a very untimely death. Am going back a long time though