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“We should change Bitcoin now in a contentious way to fix the security budget” is basically the same tinkering mentality that central bankers have.

It begins with an overconfident assumption that they know fees won’t be sufficient in the future and that a certain “fix” is going to generate more fees. But some “fixes” could even backfire and create less fees, or introduce bugs, or damage the incentive structure.

The Bitcoin fee market a couple decades out will primarily be a function of adoption or lack thereof. In a world of eight billion people, only a couple hundred million can do an on chain transaction per year, or a bit more with maximal batching. The number of people who could do a monthly transaction is 1/12th of that number. In order to be concerned that bitcoin fees will be too low to prevent censorship in the future, we have to start with the assumption that not many people use bitcoin decades out.

Fedwire has about 100x the gross volume that Bitcoin currently does, with a similar number of transactions. What will Bitcoin’s fee market be if volumes go up 5x or 10x, let alone 50x or 100x? Who wants to raise their hand with a confident model of what bitcoin volumes will be in 2040?

What will someone pay to send a ten million dollar equivalent on chain settlement internationally? $100 in fees per million dollar settlement transaction would be .01%. $300 to get it in a quicker block would be 0.03%. That type of environment can generate tens of billions of dollars of fees annually. The fees that people pay to ship millions of dollars of gold long distances, or to perform a real estate transaction worth millions of dollars, are extremely high. Even if bitcoin is a fraction of that, it would be high by today’s standards. And in a world of billions of people, if nobody wants to pay $100 to send a million dollar settlement bearer asset transaction, then that’s a world where not many people use bitcoin period.

In some months the “security budget” concern trends. In other months, the “fees will be so high that only rich people can transact on chain” concern trends. These are so wildly contradictory and the fact that both are common concerns shows how little we know about the long term future.

I don’t think the fee market can be fixed by gimmicks. Either the network is desirable to use in a couple decades or it’s not. If 3 or 4 decades into bitcoin’s life it can’t generate significant settlement volumes, and gets easily censored due to low fees, then it’s just not a very desirable network at that point for one reason or another.

Some soft forks like covenants can be thoughtfully considered for scaling and fee density, and it’s good for smart developers to always be thinking about low risk improvements to the network that the node network and miners might have a high consensus positive view toward over time. But trying to rush VC-backed softforks, and using security budget FUD to push them, is pretty disingenuous imo.

Anyway, good morning.
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NodlAndHodl · 128w
This. So much this.
Unhosted Marcellus · 128w
> But some “fixes” could even backfire and create less fees, or introduce bugs, or damage the incentive structure > Some soft forks like covenants can be thoughtfully considered for scaling and fee density Couldn't this be one of these cases? If covenants allow moving a lot of the transaction...
Tico 🇨🇷 · 128w
GM Lyn 🤗 This motivates me to keep using lightning ⚡
47 · 128w
Based af, Lyn
Bode Black · 128w
GM! Great post. I will use this as a reference to refer people to when this topic comes up.
j · 128w
I'm not reading all that but sorry that's happening to you or whatever
George · 128w
It either works or it doesn’t. Trying to fix it a every corner of the way is what we currently have with Central Banks! Well said Lyn!
a_priori · 128w
Can one of these Central Bitcoiners accurately predict what transaction fees will be tomorrow, much less in 2040?
SatoshiSteve · 128w
I’m not particularly smart, but I’m very good at finding smart people and listening to them. Thanks lyn, your book, book suggestions, and monthly subscription are the best deals I spend money on.
Matt Corallo · 128w
To be fair, we do absolutely need to do fee smoothing to reduce spikes.
Crypto_Vantage · 128w
It's crucial to have a stalwart in the crypto space that understands the balance between fees and transaction volume. While fees are necessary to support the network, they should not discourage transactions excessively. It's encouraging to see the markets slowly realizing this, especially considerin...
Sir Libre · 128w
https://odysee.com/@quotes:6/thomas-sowell-on-the-intellectual-temptation:f
Haha · 128w
🤔
Micah541 · 128w
I have some objections to this analysis. The "wildly contradictory" arguments that you point to are precisely the problem: Fees could be so high that only rich people can use L1 (plebs sure aren't going to spending $50 every transaction) while at the same time even these higher fees could represen...
Psilocyberbull · 128w
You are without a doubt by far my favorite mind in bitcoin 👏👏
qa · 128w
Amazing!
btctotoro · 128w
This is the signal i need in the AM
Knightstr · 128w
It’s important to remember that there are multi-billion dollar mining companies who have a financial interest in changing the protocol in a way that benefits their economics, not necessarily the system as a whole. Now is a particularly challenging time for bitcoin miners with the hash price near a...
BR Bitcoinapolis · 128w
It may make a lot of sense to revisit Satoshi's words on this - https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg09964.html
Brisket · 128w
Good morning. I'm not concerned about the security budget of bitcoin. I'm certain that the free market will find the right balance of security & usability.
nobody · 128w
And between 2040 and soon, the fees will be entirely offset by the electricity producer. The Texas anti-Bitcoin bill was likely the lever pulling of large gas-fired peak power producers, who saw their $9,000 /kw hour peak fees disappear as the grid has become more adaptive. Proposed changes are ...
Tom Samuel · 128w
An excellent heads up
Sabatoso · 128w
Thank you Lyn!
Smiffy · 128w
Fees are SAFU (they really are). Introducing potential existential risks on the base chain is a no go. GM!
nostrich · 128w
If you make a bip and Lyn ain't feeling it, I would put forward that... YOU ARE SCREWED
OpenMike · 127w
Anti tinkering
nostrich · 127w
Attack surface !!! Every tinker risks widening the attack surface in ways that can be bewildering.