Alex Gleason
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Tell me an argument against veganism and I'll rate it on a scale of 1 to 10.
1) Mother Nature is a cruel bitch. Life ends for an animal either through disease and starvation or else by the claws and teeth of a predator tearing through living flesh while in a state of horror or through both. 2) If you restrict yourself to the industrial food system veganism is superior ethically to oknivorism but this is restricting yourself from a third way where animals are raised and killed ethically and thoughtfully outside the current food system.
3) In this third way animals can live nearly their best life and avoid the death in 1) thus superior to nature. Doubt that humans can create a system better than nature? Consider if you would like to return to it by leaving our human created society to face 1) in nature. We have done it for ourselves we can do it for livestock.
4) So given there is a third way that is possible why should veganism not be followed: A) Humans are apart of earths ecology and evolution not distinct from it. Humans are adapted to a diet of eating meat among vegetables and fruits etc. because of this humans get satisfaction from the full range of tastes and aligned to their coevolution including sources of meat. (Bacon tastes good) The flavor gives pleasure as human coevolution would require. Just as it gives any predator pleasure to eat its prey. A greater pleasure in life is achieved by any who would otherwise deprive themselves. This is a good thing the more of it the better. B) Due to human coevolution, humans have nutritional requirements that are met more easily through the consumption of meat. Better health or less time and resources spent in preparation of alternatives for any who would otherwise be depriving themselves. C) The financial incentive in feeding a vegan human is the direct agriculture to feed the human alone with no intermediary so only the foods which are palatable and safe for humans are grown in agriculture. The financial incentive for feeding an omnivore human is the agriculture to support the human and all their livestock they consume. This is necessarily a more diverse arrangement of plant species being cultivated by humans. Even the current industrial food system is brought to meet the financial incentive of providing a diverse enough landscape to meet the needs of livestock plus humans , and providing the needs for livestock plus humans is more likely to provide additional niches for other plants and animals than an industrial food system where it is financially incentivized to provide only the plants required for humans alone. As bad as the current food production system is, when it now provides for humans plus livestock, it would be worse if it were just meeting the needs of humans. Additionally the third way allows for animals being raised ethically and thoughtfully to necessarily support an environment that would meet the still broader space and life requirements that would also support the most niches supplied by a financial incentive.
Finally) Therefore, The choice for veganism within the industrial food system is worse for the surviving animals, humans and the earth itself than the choice to be an omnivore outside the industrial food system. As being an omnivore outside the industrial food system is the natural state of humans in our coevolution with the natural ecology of earth. The problem vegans have is not necessarily eating meat, it is eating meet within the status quo. Just as veganism is not convenient it’s also not convenient to leave the industrial food system. But that doesn’t make the ethical and nutritional and ecological arguments any less true.
3) In this third way animals can live nearly their best life and avoid the death in 1) thus superior to nature. Doubt that humans can create a system better than nature? Consider if you would like to return to it by leaving our human created society to face 1) in nature. We have done it for ourselves we can do it for livestock.
4) So given there is a third way that is possible why should veganism not be followed: A) Humans are apart of earths ecology and evolution not distinct from it. Humans are adapted to a diet of eating meat among vegetables and fruits etc. because of this humans get satisfaction from the full range of tastes and aligned to their coevolution including sources of meat. (Bacon tastes good) The flavor gives pleasure as human coevolution would require. Just as it gives any predator pleasure to eat its prey. A greater pleasure in life is achieved by any who would otherwise deprive themselves. This is a good thing the more of it the better. B) Due to human coevolution, humans have nutritional requirements that are met more easily through the consumption of meat. Better health or less time and resources spent in preparation of alternatives for any who would otherwise be depriving themselves. C) The financial incentive in feeding a vegan human is the direct agriculture to feed the human alone with no intermediary so only the foods which are palatable and safe for humans are grown in agriculture. The financial incentive for feeding an omnivore human is the agriculture to support the human and all their livestock they consume. This is necessarily a more diverse arrangement of plant species being cultivated by humans. Even the current industrial food system is brought to meet the financial incentive of providing a diverse enough landscape to meet the needs of livestock plus humans , and providing the needs for livestock plus humans is more likely to provide additional niches for other plants and animals than an industrial food system where it is financially incentivized to provide only the plants required for humans alone. As bad as the current food production system is, when it now provides for humans plus livestock, it would be worse if it were just meeting the needs of humans. Additionally the third way allows for animals being raised ethically and thoughtfully to necessarily support an environment that would meet the still broader space and life requirements that would also support the most niches supplied by a financial incentive.
Finally) Therefore, The choice for veganism within the industrial food system is worse for the surviving animals, humans and the earth itself than the choice to be an omnivore outside the industrial food system. As being an omnivore outside the industrial food system is the natural state of humans in our coevolution with the natural ecology of earth. The problem vegans have is not necessarily eating meat, it is eating meet within the status quo. Just as veganism is not convenient it’s also not convenient to leave the industrial food system. But that doesn’t make the ethical and nutritional and ecological arguments any less true.