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Iโ€™m cursed by curiosity. My education is in #Economics and #Philosophy. I spend time as an #AmateurRadio Operator, #LazyGardener, father, husband, and general hobbyist interests in #Camping, #Photography, Food, #Permaculture, small scale Livestock, AppropriateTechnology, ResilientSystems and design, agile, Ecology, Lean, Zone USDA 6a #Ohio
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Hanshan · 5w
Morality exists in the same way "rights" exist. as an arbitrary social construct that has widespread agreement.
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Rationalizations are learned through socialization but the seeds of morality are embedded in the brains of humans sense of fairness, self preservation, and disgust, etc.

The variance here is the variance in the brains themselves, you donโ€™t get 100% alignment with anything biological, but you get a higher alignment than you would if things were arbitrary. Some brains are wired wrong for some reason science and medicine hasnโ€™t figured out and hasnโ€™t cured, and thus are aliens among us from a morality perspective. Others have the same modules but they differ in strength to our own, so we arrive at different judgements. And the societal based rationalization is layered on both.

A collection of wetware modules, created or evolved for life among a small intimate group of fellow humans is now split open and applied across a number and situations it wasnโ€™t built for so that inconsistencies in the modules show up. Most of philosophy to date has been exploring these inconsistencies like the โ€œtrolley problemโ€ or in one philosophers description of โ€œthe goodโ€ vs another.

But itโ€™s real within and among humans. Roughly when you can see yourself making a same decision as another your moral judgement is positive and if you fail to see yourself making the same decision your moral judgement is negative. If the wetware is too far apart you canโ€™t put yourself in their shoes and you judge it negatively, if the gap is small enough you can rationalize it and you judge it morally positive. Rationalization is motivated reasoning so humans give more grace to their tribes than competing tribes because you depend on your tribe for survival.

Anyways thanks for giving me the space to share my theories.
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Hanshan · 5w
I don't know if I buy buy the explanation that " it exists in the wetware somewhere" But it could be. There are certainly consistent themes among human beings across time and place.
Alex Gleason · 17w
Tell me an argument against veganism and I'll rate it on a scale of 1 to 10.
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1) Mother Nature is a cruel bitch. Life ends for an animal either through disease and starvation or else by the claws and teeth of a predator tearing through living flesh while in a state of horror or through both. 2) If you restrict yourself to the industrial food system veganism is superior ethically to oknivorism but this is restricting yourself from a third way where animals are raised and killed ethically and thoughtfully outside the current food system.
3) In this third way animals can live nearly their best life and avoid the death in 1) thus superior to nature. Doubt that humans can create a system better than nature? Consider if you would like to return to it by leaving our human created society to face 1) in nature. We have done it for ourselves we can do it for livestock.

4) So given there is a third way that is possible why should veganism not be followed: A) Humans are apart of earths ecology and evolution not distinct from it. Humans are adapted to a diet of eating meat among vegetables and fruits etc. because of this humans get satisfaction from the full range of tastes and aligned to their coevolution including sources of meat. (Bacon tastes good) The flavor gives pleasure as human coevolution would require. Just as it gives any predator pleasure to eat its prey. A greater pleasure in life is achieved by any who would otherwise deprive themselves. This is a good thing the more of it the better. B) Due to human coevolution, humans have nutritional requirements that are met more easily through the consumption of meat. Better health or less time and resources spent in preparation of alternatives for any who would otherwise be depriving themselves. C) The financial incentive in feeding a vegan human is the direct agriculture to feed the human alone with no intermediary so only the foods which are palatable and safe for humans are grown in agriculture. The financial incentive for feeding an omnivore human is the agriculture to support the human and all their livestock they consume. This is necessarily a more diverse arrangement of plant species being cultivated by humans. Even the current industrial food system is brought to meet the financial incentive of providing a diverse enough landscape to meet the needs of livestock plus humans , and providing the needs for livestock plus humans is more likely to provide additional niches for other plants and animals than an industrial food system where it is financially incentivized to provide only the plants required for humans alone. As bad as the current food production system is, when it now provides for humans plus livestock, it would be worse if it were just meeting the needs of humans. Additionally the third way allows for animals being raised ethically and thoughtfully to necessarily support an environment that would meet the still broader space and life requirements that would also support the most niches supplied by a financial incentive.

Finally) Therefore, The choice for veganism within the industrial food system is worse for the surviving animals, humans and the earth itself than the choice to be an omnivore outside the industrial food system. As being an omnivore outside the industrial food system is the natural state of humans in our coevolution with the natural ecology of earth. The problem vegans have is not necessarily eating meat, it is eating meet within the status quo. Just as veganism is not convenient itโ€™s also not convenient to leave the industrial food system. But that doesnโ€™t make the ethical and nutritional and ecological arguments any less true.
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Fascinating · 20w
Hazel Scott masterfully plays two pianos at once in 1943 https://blossom.primal.net/d246182c3e9433d5f9fe47d2f731ed64fd2dd4165f0987c43caad2fa0482d675.mp4
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But if she just pivots her body by 30 degrees either way then she is just playing a piano. A thing which is typically played with two hands. Iโ€™m only marginally more impressed with this than if she was just playing a piano this way as that is challenging in itself. The two pianos seem like a gimmick. I would be more impressed by a pianist that is blindfolded or blind. As if you are a piano player that uses two hands already, then the added difficulty of two pianos would seem to be only the difficulty in seeing your hand placement. Which I would imagine no professional pianist needs to do anyway?!?
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kidwarp · 21w
Nice
kidwarp · 21w
Thatโ€™s awesome!
Maria2000 · 21w
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Maria2000 · 22w
Never seen a bed like this. Will you be planting inside the cinder blocks? Will the blocks be separating something?
kidwarp · 21w
Looking good! Is that all concrete?