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Is there a formal difference between hacking into someone else's server and, say, for example, exploiting an Ethereum contract, or exploiting a bug on a Lightning app that allows you to withdraw more than you should?
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Vic · 156w
Yes there is a difference in most jurisdictions
CT · 156w
I guess its depends on how serious
IntuitiveGuy☯️ · 156w
I remember the Mango (a shitcoin defi exchange/protocol) exploiter was sued, even if basically he also announced the possible exploit in detail on the 🐦 app before doing it.
StackSats.IO · 156w
The difference is in who you piss off and how well connected they are. That’s why Elisabeth Holmes got 11 years for fraud whilst Sam Bankman-Fried is playing vidya in his parents basement.
galegoo⚡ · 156w
one affects more people than the other (in general)
aldum · 156w
Yes, if we use the interpretation that 'code is law'. Making the smart contract bulletproof is on you. However, breaking into a server is like sneaking into your house: just because you left the backdoor open, it doesn't mean they are welcome inside.
Fiat Shenanigans 🤡🌎 · 156w
There is a difference. If the server is locked down and not meant to be public, then it's the digital equivalent of breaking and entering. If you're talking about exploiting public open source software like an ETH smart contract, that's more like the digital equivalent of picking up a wallet off the...
Tuur Demeestr · 156w
In a court, I imagine they would be tried differently because they paint a different picture of intent. And also the resulting damage may be different. https://nostr.build/i/4186274e402f01081648e174de0b7267d06918e0bc1e670aa90239a39d2b7f20.jpg
Bitcoin or Slavery · 156w
Lubin and Buterin should be sued for ethereum exploits for marketing it as a viable platform
Justin · 156w
Nostr is super neat but this is a question for a lawyer. Not a nym.
Brian Hirschfield · 156w
Lightning is meant to have all legal disputes settled on chain so if the bug doesn’t subject the attacker to a penalty disincentive then the attacker has done the network a favor by showing the weakness. Lightning will never have “juries prudence” anywhere other than the Bitcoin blockchain. ...
Paula Livingstone · 156w
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jared · 156w
Yes, when you “hack” someone else’s server you are performing “unauthorized access”. Not so with a contract or protocol weakness that can be exploited by, say, submitting (malformed?) transactions to your own node, so you never did any unauthorized access. That’s the difference
Yuval Adam ⚡️ · 156w
Depending on your jurisdiction even clicking a wrong link can put you in jail. Don’t look for justice in computer law.
Greg · 156w
Both cases are theft regardless of what the particular laws of the jurisdiction say.