A very enlightening and interesting discussion, I will be reading his latest book
https://open.spotify.com/episode/2HKaFX03QNViEXEEAUCIWH?si=2f4e766a7758443d
https://open.spotify.com/episode/2HKaFX03QNViEXEEAUCIWH?si=2f4e766a7758443d
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