Yeah see, and listen I'm not like vehemently anti-plastic. I believe it has good uses! But sustainable fabrics like leather, which already is off the animal which they use for meat, are ok too! They last longer, they're more comfortable, most retain heat better. And this goes double for wool which doesn't involve killing the animal at all! I also am not anti vegan! I just think certain aspects of vegan culture are missing the point a little.