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Phoenix can't be mentioned in the same sentence as the others. It's an actual self-custodial lightning wallet that works, seamlessly. "Outrageous fees": as an experiment, I went through my last 5 transactions. Tx1: $2.22 fee: 14 sats 2: $142 fee: 643 sats 3: $141 fee: 641 sats 4: $586 fee: 2644 sats 5: (deposit on chain) $1555 fee: 210 sats. Does that seem outrageous to you? The $586 payment had a high fee of a little over $2, which is like 0.3%; Lightning is like that, it's percentage based. But "high": this is way lower than many other payment methods, and it's instant, sovereign and mainly private.

Overall it's crazy to me that for years now, every time I recommend Phoenix, saying the actual tradeoff is a slightly worse privacy model (but really not bad), I hear people dismiss it as "crazy fees". Just because immediate onboarding (which is a one-time event) to an actually self sovereign wallet costs a couple of bucks doesn't mean "crazy fees"! You don't get everything working perfectly for zero dollars, sheesh.

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EVAN KALOUDIS · 9w
Unfortunately, Bitcoiners can be stingy. I ultimately think the graduated wallet approach with Cashu as the first step fixes all of these, from fees to privacy
Rich Nost · 9w
I dont disagree with Phoenix for stress-free lightning use among people who understand the tradeoffs, buy my beef is with people who recommend it for an onboarding experience. The minute you have to explain the upfront cost to someone by mentioning channels when they have never even held their own b...
Fanis · 9w
Honestly I don't get why we get into convoluted trusted solutions (trust the statechain entity bro, trust the federation bro) when Phoenix exists. People will freak out at the onboarding fee without realizing how cheap it is compared to the cost of DIY (I'm talking "mental cost"). IMHO there are 3 f...
the axiom · 9w
isn't their own stated policy that they charge 1% of every transaction? it's weird that your transactions were all less than that
PlebInstitute · 9w
And they are very open about the fees. https://image.nostr.build/6244fbbabc387959b4f1151849178f28643ba2e5883ac6d1300248156006053d.jpg
Matt Corallo · 8w
While I agree with you in principle, “the customer is always right”, and landing a perfect first-transaction UX is really important. Ultimately, today, I thing that means the only thing we can actually build that’s self-custodial (at least for the right balance) is a graduated wallet.