You don't need a blockchain if you "move" bitcoin between ETFs using Coinbase.

You should NEVER, EVER, send "on ramp" bitcoin to a custodial service.
"Yes, but for small amounts the setup is a mess!".
Soon it will become as easy as sending to a Bitcoin address.

Totally!

I don't think it's a matter of "believing in Lightning".
Paul is a bit skeptical about reliability and has self-custody as a priority, that's why we strongly opposed previous lightning solutions that were custodial.
I respect his point of view.
Edge remains open source, so PRs are very welcome.
Also, you don't need to use shitcoins it you use Edge! Imagine your edge account as a client-side encrypted package where you can collect seed phrases (aka wallets) and maybe in the future ever more things.
You can have Bitcoin-only accounts with as many Bitcoin wallets as you wish.
That's how I use my accounts.

Also @Roy the reply was for @Ronin's comment, not for the main post by Daniel.

Ps: I saw the recorded event with Bitpolito. You were great. Too bad I wasn't aware of that, I live a few km from there, it would have been an occasion to meet in person :-( !

Hey Daniel, I'll do!
We currently don't support lightning, that's true.
I'm a Lightning early adopter so you can clearly understand how much I want to use Edge to make LN payments.
Unfortunately we are not still ready for that, for a few reasons:
Onboarding would be difficult for the majority of our user base
Hard for them to manage liquidity (the current SDK options do not support splicing yet, as far as I know)
Success rate of payments (it's actually improved a lot lately, so that might not be a big issue anymore!)
In the meantime, I use Breez and Phoenix wallet.

As for Ark, it's no longer theoretical. There are a couple of implementations currently in development, check ArkLabs and Second.
They are in testnet, and probably out in mainnet later this year.

Yes, that's why I think we should work on sharing liquidity management.

The problem is being a liquidity provider.
Not just for the infrastructure and the rebalance, but because as a centralized identity, you are an easy target for the state.
If they decide you are a money transmitter, then good luck.
That's why we need distributed liquidity and possibly separate the service operator from the liquidity providers.

For onboarding, the issue is definitely channel creation.
We may be able to solve this with Ark.

Economic node validators affect the consensus, not the miners.
At least on Bitcoin.

The original topic didn't directly mention monero, even if monero can't be a real alternative to fiat.