8% of their users? as in the fees they get? So this is almost an irrelevant fraction at current fee market.

But we'd also have to ask what percentage of users will be lost in a BIP110 main chain scenario. No more jpegs and other spam, right?

Blockchain Tx history is just one factor in passing AML/KYC checks so even the purest of coins may not be sufficient for how some people will try and use them.

Additionally the risk rating of a tx based on its history is not static - one could imagine two people getting BTC from a common (ancestor) UTXO, and the way one person spends theirs could negatively effect the new scoring of the other person. Ultimately everybody's coins from this swap service could end up with bad KYC ratings after a few months in the worse case

Also if someone is willing to pay such a premium for untainted coins then the service should randomly delay the exchange (or allow the option for it) around a few hours to days not a constant ~30mins/10blocks since this leaks a lot of data that can (will) be correlated

segwit was a softfork that increased the storage size/risk by 4x

there are numerous ways a softfork could ruin the network, ie an OFAC softfork, etc

if a country bans Bitcoin the number of users will drop. It simply adds more friction to getting access to Bitcoin, like when it's removed from brokers/exchanges. But I'm not sure what the original OPs point was

just self-custody for freedom? Or is private non-kyc utxos also required?

I'm sure there's subreddits where buyers and sellers meet, also there is porn subscriptions so I don't see why all three of these wouldn't be DNMs. Just different rules for each platform.

Actually anyone could proxy a market to an onion domain and it wouldn't be possible to know otherwise. Therefore, you couldn't actually prove any online shopping isn't a DNM. right?

So when Facebook, reddit, Pornhub, etc had onion domains were those DNMs?

Lots of more privacy problems listed on the OFFICIAL getmonero website. Lightning does not have these issues. Admits monero users will be POOR:

"If you use Monero but give your name and address to another party, the other party will not magically forget your name and address."

"If you give out your secret keys, others will know what you've done. If you get compromised, others will be able to keylog you."

"If you backup your seed in the cloud, you'll be poorer soon"

read it for yourself!
source:
https://www.getmonero.org/get-started/faq/#anchor-magic

"Bitcoin's fungibility"

Always keep an open mind

"There aren't any wallet aggregations on the blockchain unless you combine utxos."

Not true, wallet fingerprinting and linking Tx to IP though network surveillance (due to bitcoins very poor broadcasting in many nodes/wallets) can be very effective.

"They do chainalysis on monero too."

Yes they do. Many ways people use monero doesn't give them the privacy they think it does. For example, instantly swapping in and out of xmr to 'wash' coins. Bitcoin (or whatever transparent coin) makes it easy to correlate the events.

"if the starting utxo is non kyc, the lightning channel open isn't a problem"

ah, so we can agree: L1 privacy is necessary for L2 privacy.

Now, I just want L1 privacy by default.

"the market has spoken"

let's look at the market

non-bitcoin market cap -> $1.3Trillion
eth -> $350 Billion
xrp -> $120 Billion
doge -> $20 Billion

A total clown show

Monero not found on the top 5 exchanges, was delisted or never listed on ~60 out of top 87 exchanges, and the ones it is found on remove for regions like EU/EEA under MiCA, and others like Canada, Australia, Iceland, SEA, etc.... while still maintaining top 20-30 market cap

Bitcorn pump is coming from blackrock, ETFs, treasuries companies, other captured institutions, and so on... all the non-free markets. They all need PERMISSION to hodl and they operate under the whims of the jurisdiction they reside.

Many of these 'hodlers' of Bitcorn would swap it out in an instant to xrp/sol/shit under a different series of slogans and meaningless jargon for why it's the new shinny object to get a hold of.

Yes, the state-regulated market which thrives on control and surveillance picks Bitcoin as its king and Monero as its enemy.

"if the base layer yanks your pants down the whole stack is suspect."

This AI is diabolical 😂 😂 😂